Here's a quick link so that anyone can check to see actual traces between C&W and PSI. When (if?) they find each other again, you'll be able to see the actual routes (in both directions): http://www.traceloop.com/cgi-bin/traceloop.cgi?sid=fnryumci&dn=AS3561.a1 This is a special link -- you'll have to log out and log in if you want to use the normal service. Every Traceloop is being done by the same two test points, so there could be some blocking when this post first hits... Hope that helps. Steve Schaefer Dashbit - The Leader In Internet Topology www.dashbit.com www.traceloop.com