I am very pleased to see the recent decrease in off-topic postings. I was having great difficulty blocking mail. Husan R. Sarris, Ph.D. (Pig-headed Dictator) Nerit Metwork Get your free encrypted email at https://www.hushmail.com
On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 hrs@hushmail.com wrote:
I am very pleased to see the recent decrease in off-topic postings. I was having great difficulty blocking mail.
What were the difficulties? Just curious...
Husan R. Sarris, Ph.D. (Pig-headed Dictator) Nerit Metwork
As funny as I found the spoof posts to be, sometimes you have to be a pig-headed dictator to maintain sanity. Just promise not to act like JC Dill, get full of yourself, and go around kicking 7-year posters off of the list for being "rude". Andy xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Andy Dills 301-682-9972 Xecunet, LLC www.xecu.net xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Dialup * Webhosting * E-Commerce * High-Speed Access
This is what I get for coming in in the middle of the night to help replace our generator's transfer switch. Whoever is sending the spoofed posts, kudos, you certainly made an ass out of me :) I guess I was too excited to complain about JC...(who, to make a long story short, booted me from the inet-access list for being "rude".) And here I thought Susan was being self-deprecating with the Ph.D. comment. Very subtle... Andy On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Andy Dills wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 hrs@hushmail.com wrote:
I am very pleased to see the recent decrease in off-topic postings. I was having great difficulty blocking mail.
What were the difficulties? Just curious...
Husan R. Sarris, Ph.D. (Pig-headed Dictator) Nerit Metwork
As funny as I found the spoof posts to be, sometimes you have to be a pig-headed dictator to maintain sanity. Just promise not to act like JC Dill, get full of yourself, and go around kicking 7-year posters off of the list for being "rude".
Andy
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Andy Dills 301-682-9972 Xecunet, LLC www.xecu.net xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Dialup * Webhosting * E-Commerce * High-Speed Access
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Andy Dills 301-682-9972 Xecunet, LLC www.xecu.net xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Dialup * Webhosting * E-Commerce * High-Speed Access
On Sun, Sep 15, 2002 at 02:29:18PM -0700, hrs@hushmail.com wrote:
I am very pleased to see the recent decrease in off-topic postings. I was having great difficulty blocking mail.
Husan R. Sarris, Ph.D. (Pig-headed Dictator) Nerit Metwork
You know, there is a fine line between funny and stupid. Parody emails are funny when done occasionally, but not every other post. This is why the joke RFC's only come out once a year, on April 1st. I realize you are trying to beat the useless, idiotic, and off-topic posters into submission, but do you really think its helping? Just look at the list for your results. All it does is make them think that useless and off-topic posts like this one are allowed and commonplace here. Lets all try to grow up just a tiny bit more, maybe get back to discussing networking instead of acting like a middle school playground? P.S. I like "Player Hater Degree" better. :) -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)
I find section 4 of Hushmail's AUP appropriate to this discussion. "You agree not to transmit, or allow others to use your address to transmit, through HushMail, any objectionable material including, but not limited to, unlawful or harassing, libelous, abusive, threatening, harmful, vulgar or obscene material that encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offence, give rise to civil liability or otherwise violate items discussed in #2 above." I'm sure it would be a trivial matter for merit to recover the full headers of the original and forward to abuse@hushmail.com for action against whomever is (quite poorly) impersonating Ms. Harris. Just my 2¢. Best regards, _________________________ Alan Rowland -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of hrs@hushmail.com Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 2:29 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Recent NANOG postings I am very pleased to see the recent decrease in off-topic postings. I was having great difficulty blocking mail. Husan R. Sarris, Ph.D. (Pig-headed Dictator) Nerit Metwork Get your free encrypted email at https://www.hushmail.com
On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Al Rowland wrote:
I'm sure it would be a trivial matter for merit to recover the full headers of the original and forward to abuse@hushmail.com for action against whomever is (quite poorly) impersonating Ms. Harris.
Hushmail's domains are registered to some offshore company, though they get connectivity from NetNation in Calgary, AB. They don't seem to respond to abuse reports. NetNation at least responds, but won't give any contact info out for real people at HushMail. It would seem in this case the only action that is sure to work is to make a John Doe claim in a Canadian court, then file a subpoena against NetNation for Canadian business address of HushMail, and then subpoena HushMail's records. In Susan's case she's a short drive from Windsor, Ontario, and the court filings could be done in small claims court so the fees wouldn't exceed a couple hundred dollars. Since Hushmail offers free accounts the original offender can just sign up again under another anonymous ID and start the process all over. It would seem the offender has mocked not only myself and Susan, but the process for keeping unwanted posters off the list. At some point in the future it may become necessary to block whole domains from having posting privileges. -Ralph
RD> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:01:31 -0400 (EDT) RD> From: Ralph Doncaster RD> Since Hushmail offers free accounts the original offender can RD> just sign up again under another anonymous ID and start the RD> process all over. It would seem the offender has mocked not RD> only myself and Susan, but the process for keeping unwanted ...and Phil Rosenthal, Randy Bush, and whoever "Sal Sabella" is a spoof of. Ralph, I've been publically mocked, called "one of the most dangerous criminals on the Internet", accused of "inciting others to break laws", and other cheery things. Those are direct ad hominem attacks, and quite possibly libel or defamation. IANAL, though, and I don't pretend to be. RD> posters off the list. At some point in the future it may RD> become necessary to block whole domains from having posting RD> privileges. It almost seems like that might be a/the goal. For all we know, someone could be spoofing {him|her}self in an attempt to cry "victim" and have Hushmail blocked. I have no problem with Hushmail being disallowed (part of list AUP is to have real name present), but others indicated fear of employers catching them posting. *shrug* It's not my mailing list. Perhaps new subscribers from "suspicious" domains could be moderated for, say, the first 10-20 posts. That would help cut down on the trash without being a huge administrative hassle. Or maybe being a harsh dictator and cutting down OT threads will help deal with things from a social slant. The on-topic discussion over the weekend was nice while it lasted... Maybe the novelty will wear off before everyone on NANOG is spoofed. Maybe we can have some actual operational discussions again. Or, failing that, a quiet NANOG-L is not a bad thing. Eddy -- Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - EverQuick Internet Division Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 (785) 865-5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 (316) 794-8922 Wichita ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:23:58 +0000 (GMT) From: A Trap <blacklist@brics.com> To: blacklist@brics.com Subject: Please ignore this portion of my mail signature. These last few lines are a trap for address-harvesting spambots. Do NOT send mail to <blacklist@brics.com>, or you are likely to be blocked.
Yes, the spoofs may occasionally get out of hand. However, there may be a reason why - namely the unfortunate increase in clueless or uninformed postings. Personally, I would much rather have a good laugh from reading such a parody, then read about some crazy scheme or unresearched query. I would strongly object to banning any entire domain from this mailing list. Additionally, the practice of banning folks for "off-topic" posting seems rather unevenly applied - spam is, by definition, off-topic to NANOG, and yet long threads discuss it. Perhaps we should all look to our own houses, before we criticize others. - Daniel Golding On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Ralph Doncaster wrote:
On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Al Rowland wrote:
I'm sure it would be a trivial matter for merit to recover the full headers of the original and forward to abuse@hushmail.com for action against whomever is (quite poorly) impersonating Ms. Harris.
Hushmail's domains are registered to some offshore company, though they get connectivity from NetNation in Calgary, AB. They don't seem to respond to abuse reports. NetNation at least responds, but won't give any contact info out for real people at HushMail.
It would seem in this case the only action that is sure to work is to make a John Doe claim in a Canadian court, then file a subpoena against NetNation for Canadian business address of HushMail, and then subpoena HushMail's records.
In Susan's case she's a short drive from Windsor, Ontario, and the court filings could be done in small claims court so the fees wouldn't exceed a couple hundred dollars.
Since Hushmail offers free accounts the original offender can just sign up again under another anonymous ID and start the process all over. It would seem the offender has mocked not only myself and Susan, but the process for keeping unwanted posters off the list. At some point in the future it may become necessary to block whole domains from having posting privileges.
-Ralph
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