Hi, considering the fact that several organisations have been severely undermining net-neutrality over the past few months, which they seem to see as less important than their copyright bullshit, we have decided to set an example: Should the following networks, to which list more will be added over the coming month, desire to exchange traffic with AS34109, they can obtain a traffic relay contract at sales@cb3rob.net, the costs of which amount to 10000 euros per month, excl. 19% VAT, if not, well, then it's simply no more internets for them... sorry peeps. 193.108.8.0/21#GEMA-NET 195.109.249.64/29#SONYMUSIC 195.143.92.160/27#SBMG1-NETS 212.123.224.240/29#Net-WEGENER-MEDIA-BV 212.123.227.64/29#BumaStemra2 212.136.193.216/29#BUMA 212.78.179.240/28#BUMA-STEMRA 213.208.242.160/29#NL-COLT-BUMA-STEMRA 217.148.80.112/28#NL-NXS-CUST-1004613 85.236.46.0/24#IX-UNIVERSAL-NET -- Greetings, Sven Olaf Kamphuis, CB3ROB Ltd. & Co. KG ========================================================================= Address: Koloniestrasse 34 VAT Tax ID: DE267268209 D-13359 Registration: HRA 42834 B BERLIN Phone: +31/(0)87-8747479 Germany GSM: +49/(0)152-26410799 RIPE: CBSK1-RIPE e-Mail: sven@cb3rob.net ========================================================================= <penpen> C3P0, der elektrische Westerwelle ========================================================================= Confidential: Please be advised that the information contained in this email message, including all attached documents or files, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or individuals addressed. Any other use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:52:53 +0000 (UTC) Sven Olaf Kamphuis <sven@cb3rob.net> wrote:
Hi, considering the fact that several organisations have been severely undermining net-neutrality over the past few months,
What is your definition of violating net-neutrality? Is it (a) carriers ransoming content providers so that only then will the content providers receive fair, equal and unfettered access to the carriers' customers? or (b) applying QoS to customer traffic if necessary because TCP was designed to suck up all the bandwidth available (to try to achieve 100% return on investment in the network capex), based on an original assumption that there'd be short bursts of TCP traffic, and now some applications, particular P2P ones, which use TCP, now create constant rather than bursty load on the network, resulting in congestion and impacting latency sensitive applications such as VoIP and gaming?
which they seem to see as less important than their copyright bullshit, we have decided to set an example:
Should the following networks, to which list more will be added over the coming month, desire to exchange traffic with AS34109, they can obtain a traffic relay contract at sales@cb3rob.net, the costs of which amount to 10000 euros per month, excl. 19% VAT, if not, well, then it's simply no more internets for them... sorry peeps.
193.108.8.0/21#GEMA-NET 195.109.249.64/29#SONYMUSIC 195.143.92.160/27#SBMG1-NETS 212.123.224.240/29#Net-WEGENER-MEDIA-BV 212.123.227.64/29#BumaStemra2 212.136.193.216/29#BUMA 212.78.179.240/28#BUMA-STEMRA 213.208.242.160/29#NL-COLT-BUMA-STEMRA 217.148.80.112/28#NL-NXS-CUST-1004613 85.236.46.0/24#IX-UNIVERSAL-NET
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it is: c) RIAA/MPAA members trying to make ISPs liable for what customers do in order to somehow fork the isp into kicking out the customer, as they refuse to simply go to court against the customer but rather prefer to harrass their ISP or their isp's isp.. Well guess what, we don't really feel like giving them something for free (their traffic being relayed over our infrastructure) if they act hostile, if they can't get the piratebay ITSELF to shut down, we can only conclude the piratebay has the RIGHT to internet just as much as they do, actually more, as the piratebay paid us, and they don't. (so let's change the payment structure a bit and make these people pay us too ;) see also the various piratebay cases, as well as the fact that universal music germany gmbh can't be fucked to pay for their own court fees if they need a court order to get us to give out an address (the poor fuckers, whatever happened to mtv-cribs ;) -- Greetings, Sven Olaf Kamphuis, CB3ROB Ltd. & Co. KG ========================================================================= Address: Koloniestrasse 34 VAT Tax ID: DE267268209 D-13359 Registration: HRA 42834 B BERLIN Phone: +31/(0)87-8747479 Germany GSM: +49/(0)152-26410799 RIPE: CBSK1-RIPE e-Mail: sven@cb3rob.net ========================================================================= <penpen> C3P0, der elektrische Westerwelle ========================================================================= Confidential: Please be advised that the information contained in this email message, including all attached documents or files, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or individuals addressed. Any other use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. On Wed, 11 Aug 2010, Mark Smith wrote:
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:52:53 +0000 (UTC) Sven Olaf Kamphuis <sven@cb3rob.net> wrote:
Hi, considering the fact that several organisations have been severely undermining net-neutrality over the past few months,
What is your definition of violating net-neutrality?
Is it
(a) carriers ransoming content providers so that only then will the content providers receive fair, equal and unfettered access to the carriers' customers?
or
(b) applying QoS to customer traffic if necessary because TCP was designed to suck up all the bandwidth available (to try to achieve 100% return on investment in the network capex), based on an original assumption that there'd be short bursts of TCP traffic, and now some applications, particular P2P ones, which use TCP, now create constant rather than bursty load on the network, resulting in congestion and impacting latency sensitive applications such as VoIP and gaming?
which they seem to see as less important than their copyright bullshit, we have decided to set an example:
Should the following networks, to which list more will be added over the coming month, desire to exchange traffic with AS34109, they can obtain a traffic relay contract at sales@cb3rob.net, the costs of which amount to 10000 euros per month, excl. 19% VAT, if not, well, then it's simply no more internets for them... sorry peeps.
193.108.8.0/21#GEMA-NET 195.109.249.64/29#SONYMUSIC 195.143.92.160/27#SBMG1-NETS 212.123.224.240/29#Net-WEGENER-MEDIA-BV 212.123.227.64/29#BumaStemra2 212.136.193.216/29#BUMA 212.78.179.240/28#BUMA-STEMRA 213.208.242.160/29#NL-COLT-BUMA-STEMRA 217.148.80.112/28#NL-NXS-CUST-1004613 85.236.46.0/24#IX-UNIVERSAL-NET
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On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 11:25 +0000, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:
it is:
c) RIAA/MPAA members trying to make ISPs liable for what customers do in order to somehow fork the isp into kicking out the customer, as they refuse to simply go to court against the customer but rather prefer to harrass their ISP or their isp's isp..
did you stop taking your medication today? net-neutrality has nothing to do with following the law. if you do not like the copyright enforcement law in the netherlands, then change the law in the netherlands. nanog is not your soapbox, and I for one, am tired of hearing about how you host thepiratebay (which is, for the last few years at least, a pretty shitty torrent tracker anyway). so please, for the love of $deity, stop posting your crap to this list. by the way, you're still invited to provide a list of legitimate (e.g. not warez) customers you have. i'm pretty sure that you do not have any though. william
next up on the list: disney, paramount pictures, sony music entertainment, sony pictures entertainment, most of vivendi/universal group, viacom.. all of these organisations have well established themselves on the list of organisations not worthy to have their traffic relayed for free. -- Greetings, Sven Olaf Kamphuis, CB3ROB Ltd. & Co. KG ========================================================================= Address: Koloniestrasse 34 VAT Tax ID: DE267268209 D-13359 Registration: HRA 42834 B BERLIN Phone: +31/(0)87-8747479 Germany GSM: +49/(0)152-26410799 RIPE: CBSK1-RIPE e-Mail: sven@cb3rob.net ========================================================================= <penpen> C3P0, der elektrische Westerwelle ========================================================================= Confidential: Please be advised that the information contained in this email message, including all attached documents or files, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or individuals addressed. Any other use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. On Wed, 11 Aug 2010, Mark Smith wrote:
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:52:53 +0000 (UTC) Sven Olaf Kamphuis <sven@cb3rob.net> wrote:
Hi, considering the fact that several organisations have been severely undermining net-neutrality over the past few months,
What is your definition of violating net-neutrality?
Is it
(a) carriers ransoming content providers so that only then will the content providers receive fair, equal and unfettered access to the carriers' customers?
or
(b) applying QoS to customer traffic if necessary because TCP was designed to suck up all the bandwidth available (to try to achieve 100% return on investment in the network capex), based on an original assumption that there'd be short bursts of TCP traffic, and now some applications, particular P2P ones, which use TCP, now create constant rather than bursty load on the network, resulting in congestion and impacting latency sensitive applications such as VoIP and gaming?
which they seem to see as less important than their copyright bullshit, we have decided to set an example:
Should the following networks, to which list more will be added over the coming month, desire to exchange traffic with AS34109, they can obtain a traffic relay contract at sales@cb3rob.net, the costs of which amount to 10000 euros per month, excl. 19% VAT, if not, well, then it's simply no more internets for them... sorry peeps.
193.108.8.0/21#GEMA-NET 195.109.249.64/29#SONYMUSIC 195.143.92.160/27#SBMG1-NETS 212.123.224.240/29#Net-WEGENER-MEDIA-BV 212.123.227.64/29#BumaStemra2 212.136.193.216/29#BUMA 212.78.179.240/28#BUMA-STEMRA 213.208.242.160/29#NL-COLT-BUMA-STEMRA 217.148.80.112/28#NL-NXS-CUST-1004613 85.236.46.0/24#IX-UNIVERSAL-NET
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If you announce anything worth reaching in that AS of yours .. MAYBE, JUST MAYBE they'd care rather than yawn 84.22.96.0/19 has, for instance - 84.22.96.254 cock-is.huge.nl If sony music etc want to engage in a size war with you, that's entirely up to them. Meanwhile, please leave nanog out of this. It is your toy AS with what looks like little or no production traffic on it, and you're free to play with it as you like. --srs On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Sven Olaf Kamphuis <sven@cb3rob.net> wrote:
Hi, considering the fact that several organisations have been severely undermining net-neutrality over the past few months, which they seem to see as less important than their copyright bullshit, we have decided to set an example:
Should the following networks, to which list more will be added over the coming month, desire to exchange traffic with AS34109, they can obtain a traffic relay contract at sales@cb3rob.net, the costs of which amount to 10000 euros per month, excl. 19% VAT, if not, well, then it's simply no more internets for them... sorry peeps.
193.108.8.0/21#GEMA-NET 195.109.249.64/29#SONYMUSIC 195.143.92.160/27#SBMG1-NETS 212.123.224.240/29#Net-WEGENER-MEDIA-BV 212.123.227.64/29#BumaStemra2 212.136.193.216/29#BUMA 212.78.179.240/28#BUMA-STEMRA 213.208.242.160/29#NL-COLT-BUMA-STEMRA 217.148.80.112/28#NL-NXS-CUST-1004613 85.236.46.0/24#IX-UNIVERSAL-NET
-- Greetings,
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hmm funny, it had the piratebay on it, the 3rd most visted .org domain in the world, as well as number 7 or so on the list of most visted websites in the entire world, until a few months ago. not to mention several of our other clients ;) i'd suggest you do your homework properly next time :P the MAFIAA surely did :P -- Greetings, Sven Olaf Kamphuis, CB3ROB Ltd. & Co. KG ========================================================================= Address: Koloniestrasse 34 VAT Tax ID: DE267268209 D-13359 Registration: HRA 42834 B BERLIN Phone: +31/(0)87-8747479 Germany GSM: +49/(0)152-26410799 RIPE: CBSK1-RIPE e-Mail: sven@cb3rob.net ========================================================================= <penpen> C3P0, der elektrische Westerwelle ========================================================================= Confidential: Please be advised that the information contained in this email message, including all attached documents or files, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or individuals addressed. Any other use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. On Wed, 11 Aug 2010, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
If you announce anything worth reaching in that AS of yours .. MAYBE, JUST MAYBE they'd care rather than yawn
84.22.96.0/19 has, for instance - 84.22.96.254 cock-is.huge.nl
If sony music etc want to engage in a size war with you, that's entirely up to them.
Meanwhile, please leave nanog out of this. It is your toy AS with what looks like little or no production traffic on it, and you're free to play with it as you like.
--srs
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Sven Olaf Kamphuis <sven@cb3rob.net> wrote:
Hi, considering the fact that several organisations have been severely undermining net-neutrality over the past few months, which they seem to see as less important than their copyright bullshit, we have decided to set an example:
Should the following networks, to which list more will be added over the coming month, desire to exchange traffic with AS34109, they can obtain a traffic relay contract at sales@cb3rob.net, the costs of which amount to 10000 euros per month, excl. 19% VAT, if not, well, then it's simply no more internets for them... sorry peeps.
193.108.8.0/21#GEMA-NET 195.109.249.64/29#SONYMUSIC 195.143.92.160/27#SBMG1-NETS 212.123.224.240/29#Net-WEGENER-MEDIA-BV 212.123.227.64/29#BumaStemra2 212.136.193.216/29#BUMA 212.78.179.240/28#BUMA-STEMRA 213.208.242.160/29#NL-COLT-BUMA-STEMRA 217.148.80.112/28#NL-NXS-CUST-1004613 85.236.46.0/24#IX-UNIVERSAL-NET
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On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Sven Olaf Kamphuis <sven@cb3rob.net> wrote:
hmm funny, it had the piratebay on it, the 3rd most visted .org domain in the world, as well as number 7 or so on the list of most visted websites in the entire world, until a few months ago.
no, that doesnt matter as much as just how much traffic you actually exchange with those asns
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Sven Olaf Kamphuis <sven@cb3rob.net> wrote:
hmm funny, it had the piratebay on it, the 3rd most visted .org domain in the world, as well as number 7 or so on the list of most visted websites in the entire world, until a few months ago.
no, that doesnt matter as much as just how much traffic you actually exchange with those asns
just for your info, this is just the first step, we can make it severely more nasty for them :P. -- Greetings, Sven Olaf Kamphuis, CB3ROB Ltd. & Co. KG ========================================================================= Address: Koloniestrasse 34 VAT Tax ID: DE267268209 D-13359 Registration: HRA 42834 B BERLIN Phone: +31/(0)87-8747479 Germany GSM: +49/(0)152-26410799 RIPE: CBSK1-RIPE e-Mail: sven@cb3rob.net ========================================================================= <penpen> C3P0, der elektrische Westerwelle ========================================================================= Confidential: Please be advised that the information contained in this email message, including all attached documents or files, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or individuals addressed. Any other use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.
btw, considering that you appearantly run a larger network than the 3 networks we own and operate, willing to sell? :P -- Greetings, Sven Olaf Kamphuis, CB3ROB Ltd. & Co. KG ========================================================================= Address: Koloniestrasse 34 VAT Tax ID: DE267268209 D-13359 Registration: HRA 42834 B BERLIN Phone: +31/(0)87-8747479 Germany GSM: +49/(0)152-26410799 RIPE: CBSK1-RIPE e-Mail: sven@cb3rob.net ========================================================================= <penpen> C3P0, der elektrische Westerwelle ========================================================================= Confidential: Please be advised that the information contained in this email message, including all attached documents or files, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or individuals addressed. Any other use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. On Wed, 11 Aug 2010, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Sven Olaf Kamphuis <sven@cb3rob.net> wrote:
hmm funny, it had the piratebay on it, the 3rd most visted .org domain in the world, as well as number 7 or so on the list of most visted websites in the entire world, until a few months ago.
no, that doesnt matter as much as just how much traffic you actually exchange with those asns
Not that I am speaking for anybody but myself here. I'll killfile this thread now On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Raymond Dijkxhoorn <raymond@prolocation.net> wrote:
btw, considering that you appearantly run a larger network than the 3 networks we own and operate, willing to sell? :P
That would be rarther funny Sven, you buying IBM. Sweet dreams.
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Other clients eh? Something tells your transit would be completely useless on days where new microsoft/adobe/protools/games gets released. Just saying. c On 8/11/2010 6:29 AM, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:
hmm funny, it had the piratebay on it, the 3rd most visted .org domain in the world, as well as number 7 or so on the list of most visted websites in the entire world, until a few months ago.
not to mention several of our other clients ;)
i'd suggest you do your homework properly next time :P
the MAFIAA surely did :P
Hi, considering the fact that several organisations have been severely undermining net-neutrality over the past few months, which they seem to see as less important than their copyright bullshit, we have decided to set an example:
Should the following networks, to which list more will be added over the coming month, desire to exchange traffic with AS34109, they can obtain a traffic relay contract at sales@cb3rob.net, the costs of which amount to 10000 euros per month, excl. 19% VAT, if not, well, then it's simply no more internets for them... sorry peeps.
Just so I understand correctly, you're implementing what is tantamount to a 'violation of net neutrality' in order to punish these organizations for attempting to protect their intellectual property? You seem to value the neutral natural state of the internet at large. If you're upset by the way these businesses have conducted themselves, find a response which doesn't violate your own ethics. Otherwise, you look like a hypocrite throwing a tantrum. Best Regards, Nathan Eisenberg
This is kind of like one person saying they're not going to listen to a radio station anymore.
-----Original Message----- From: Sven Olaf Kamphuis [mailto:sven@cb3rob.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:53 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Cc: aktive@lists.piratenpartei.de; algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl Subject: net-neutrality
Hi, considering the fact that several organisations have been severely undermining net-neutrality over the past few months, which they seem to see as less important than their copyright bullshit, we have decided to set an example:
Should the following networks, to which list more will be added over the coming month, desire to exchange traffic with AS34109, they can obtain a traffic relay contract at sales@cb3rob.net, the costs of which amount to 10000 euros per month, excl. 19% VAT, if not, well, then it's simply no more internets for them... sorry peeps.
193.108.8.0/21#GEMA-NET 195.109.249.64/29#SONYMUSIC 195.143.92.160/27#SBMG1-NETS 212.123.224.240/29#Net-WEGENER-MEDIA-BV 212.123.227.64/29#BumaStemra2 212.136.193.216/29#BUMA 212.78.179.240/28#BUMA-STEMRA 213.208.242.160/29#NL-COLT-BUMA-STEMRA 217.148.80.112/28#NL-NXS-CUST-1004613 85.236.46.0/24#IX-UNIVERSAL-NET
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:23:01 CDT, Jeff Harper said:
This is kind of like one person saying they're not going to listen to a radio station anymore.
"And the only reason I'm singing you this song now is cause you may know somebody in a similar situation, or you may be in a similar situation, and if your in a situation like that there's only one thing you can do and that's walk into the shrink wherever you are ,just walk in say "Shrink, You can get anything you want, at Alice's restaurant.". And walk out. You know, if one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and they won't take him. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony, they may think they're both faggots and they won't take either of them. And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. And friends they may thinks it's a movement." Of course, that *does* require finding 49 other like-minded people.
Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:23:01 CDT, Jeff Harper said:
This is kind of like one person saying they're not going to listen to a radio station anymore.
"And the only reason I'm singing you this song now is cause you may know somebody in a similar situation, or you may be in a similar situation, and if your in a situation like that there's only one thing you can do and that's walk into the shrink wherever you are ,just walk in say "Shrink, You can get anything you want, at Alice's restaurant.". And walk out. You know, if one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and they won't take him. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony, they may think they're both faggots and they won't take either of them. And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. And friends they may thinks it's a movement."
Of course, that *does* require finding 49 other like-minded people.
You may find these variations even more apt for this discussion: http://www.arlo.net/resources/lyrics/alices-nntp.shtml
I went over to the Commissar, said "Commissar, you got a lotta damn gall to ask me if I've rehabilitated myself, I mean, I mean, I'm just sittin' here, sittin' on the group H bench 'cause you want to know if I'm *moral* enough to join a Company to grep mail, burn electronic books, and censor feeds after bein' an NNTP hacker." He looked at me, said "Kid, we don't like your kind, and we're gonna send your .newsrc down to California..."
And friends, somewhere in California, enshrined in some little directory, is a study in ones and zeroes of my .newsrc. And the only reason I'm singin' you this song is 'cause you may know somebody in a similar situation, or *YOU* may be in a similar situation, and if you're in a situation like that, there's only one thing you can do and that's post a message to your company's internal newsgroup, saying "Commissar, you can get anything you want on Alice's NNTP server."
And log off.
You know, if one person, just one person does it, they may think he's really sick and won't fire him just yet, just send him down to a Training Session until his brains are jellied up. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony, they may think they're starting a cascade and will only fire one of 'em to establish a precedent and put the fear-o-God in the rest of their workers. And three people, three, can you imagine, three people logging on, posting a message containing a bar of Alice's NNTP Server and walking out, they may think it's an organization. And can you imagine fifty people a day, I said fifty people a day logging on, postin' a bar of "Alice's NNTP Server" and logging off. And friends, they may think it's a movement.
And that's what it is, the Alice's NNTP Server Anti-Censorship Movement, and all you got to do to join is quote it the next time it comes around on the screen. With feelin'.
http://www.arlo.net/resources/lyrics/alice_flame.shtml
He looked at me and said, ``Kid, we don't like your kind! We're gonna send your subnet mask off to rs.internic.net!'' And, friends, somewhere in Washington, enshrined on some 5.25 inch floppy disk, is a study in ones and zeros of my brain-damaged programming style...
And the only reason I'm singin' you the song now is 'cause you may know somebody in a similar situation. Or you may be in a similar situation, and if you're in a situation like that, there's only one thing you can do:
[ CHORUS ]
You know, if one person, just one person, does it, they may think he's really dangerous and they won't flame him.
And if two people do it, in harmony, they may think they're both Perl hackers and they won't flame either of them.
And if three people do it! Can you imagine three people loggin' in, singin' a bar of ``Alice's Usenet Flame'' and loggin' out? They may think it's an re-implementation of sendmail!
And can you imagine fifty people a day? I said FIFTY people a day, loggin' in, singin' a bar of ``Alice's Usenet Flame'' and loggin' out? Friends, they may think it's a MOVEMENT, and that's what it is: THE INTERNET GLOBAL ANTI-LOSSAGE MOVEMENT! And all you gotta do to join is to sing it the next time it comes around on the /var/spool/news/in.coming directory.
With feelin'.
participants (10)
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Chris Fuenty -
JC Dill -
Jeff Harper -
Mark Smith -
Nathan Eisenberg -
Raymond Dijkxhoorn -
Suresh Ramasubramanian -
Sven Olaf Kamphuis -
Valdis.Kletnieks＠vt.edu -
William Pitcock