Re: U.S. officials deny technical takedown of WikiLeaks
Jorge Amodio <jmamodio@gmail.com> wrote:
If you get a court order I guess you have two choices, one is to comply with it and the other get used to wear a nice pair of matching bracelets until your attorney shows up.
Option 3: unleash your full firepower against the miscreants who have dared to invade your soil despite the sign at the gate which reads in plain English: THIS FACILITY IS EXTRATERRITORIAL AND IS NOT PART OF ANY COUNTRY NO MAKERS OR ENFORCERS OF ANY FORM OF MAN-MADE LAW ARE ALLOWED ON THE PREMISES DEADLY FORCE WILL BE USED AGAINST ANY NATIONAL AUTHORITIES TRESPASSING PAST THIS BOUNDARY! Factoid: we outnumber the pigs by 1000 to 1. Even if only 1% of us were to go out and shoot a pig, we would still outnumber them 10 to 1! We *CAN* win -- wake up, people! American People vs. USA -- let's see who is stronger. MS Hold the Heathen Hammer High! With a battle cry! For the pagan past I live and one day will die. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu2bgwcv43o
On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 02:53:22AM +0000, Michael Sokolov wrote:
Factoid: we outnumber the pigs by 1000 to 1. Even if only 1% of us were to go out and shoot a pig, we would still outnumber them 10 to 1! We *CAN* win -- wake up, people!
Is there really any need for this nonsense on this list? Can all the rhetoric and politics be kept off and return the list to technical issues? There are venues much better suited for those discussions. John -- We cannot do everything at once, but we can do something at once. -- Calvin Coolidge (1872-1933), 30th president of the United States
This nonsense is only non-operational until you suddenly find yourself in a dire need to evade military patrols on a street while you're dragging a bag full of equipment to your "backup" NOC. Been there, done that. What are your contingency plans for the event of a government order (illegal, of course, but that'd be your least worry) to shut the network down? Putting your head into sand saying "it can't happen here?" Yes, it can. In the Soviet Union just emptying datacenters and phone exchanges from any personnel other than security guards - with all technical people making themselves unreachable was sufficient to keep the networks running. The goons, apparently, had no clue which switches to turn. (There also was a capacity problem caused by the surge in the traffic; but this isn't likely to be a problem in the modern networks, but arranging local caches for highly demanded videos and "alternative" news sites - all mainstream outlets will be playing the equivalent of Swan Lake - may be necessary in order to keep service running). --vadim John R. Dennison wrote:
On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 02:53:22AM +0000, Michael Sokolov wrote:
Factoid: we outnumber the pigs by 1000 to 1. Even if only 1% of us were to go out and shoot a pig, we would still outnumber them 10 to 1! We *CAN* win -- wake up, people!
Is there really any need for this nonsense on this list? Can all the rhetoric and politics be kept off and return the list to technical issues?
There are venues much better suited for those discussions.
John
On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 02:53:22 GMT, Michael Sokolov said:
Factoid: we outnumber the pigs by 1000 to 1. Even if only 1% of us were to go out and shoot a pig, we would still outnumber them 10 to 1! We *CAN* win -- wake up, people!
Yes, but shooting down an RFC1925-compliant porker may require larger caliber munitions than most of us have handy. And you may want to check your insurance coverage for liability when it comes back down if you manage to hit it.
BTW, at this time only the server at NL seems to be responding -J
On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 02:53:22 GMT, Michael Sokolov said:
Factoid: we outnumber the pigs by 1000 to 1. Even if only 1% of us were to go out and shoot a pig, we would still outnumber them 10 to 1! We *CAN* win -- wake up, people! Yes, but shooting down an RFC1925-compliant porker may require larger caliber
If you mean shooting people in order to protest a law, that proposition is obscene, and attempting to dehumanize flesh and blood, while hiding the nature of the act through name-calling does not make the act more civilized, sane, or less deserving of rebuke. If "pig" is defined as person(s) conducting network abuse, violating the AUP of services they use in manners, such as sending spam, transmitting illegally obtained documents, or posting large numbers of off-topic political rants to a technical discussion listserv contrary to its AUP. And by "shoot" you mean turning off their network service, being used in the abusive manner contrary to the terms agreed or as required by the law. Then this is done every day, and I would applaud those such as Amazon who have done a service to the network community by doing so. -- -JH
Factoid: we outnumber the pigs by 1000 to 1. Even if only 1% of us were to go out and shoot a pig, we would still outnumber them 10 to 1! We *CAN* win -- wake up, people!
Dude. As someone who was personally connected to this (http://www.komonews.com/news/local/78088192.html), and this, http://www.komonews.com/news/local/68320537.html I feel pretty justified in telling you to keep this 'shoot a pig' crap off the list. Unbelievable.
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James Hess -
John R. Dennison -
Jorge Amodio -
msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG -
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Vadim Antonov -
Valdis.Kletnieks＠vt.edu