NANOG: Can someone point me to the current CALEA requirements? As an ISP, should I be recording all internet traffic that passes my routers? Or do I only have to record when and if I receive a court order? I'm not under any court order now, I just want to be sure that I am compliant going forward in my capabilities. Thanks! Lorell Hathcock
Ignore it until you get the paperwork. The local law enforcement can not get a warrant for the real time, full data capture. Only FBI or other national agencies can get those subpeona's. We went through this with our local police department. They wanted to make sure we were prepared and wanted a test for the real time number capture on phone calls. They didn't mention they don't have any equipment on their side to connect the T1. Ask your local neighbors. Some area's have a number of local federal investigations. If you get the deer in the headlights look from your competition then you may never get one of these. The full data captures are rare. Kevin Burke 802-540-0979 Burlington Telecom - City of Burlington 200 Church St, Burlington, VT 05401 -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Lorell Hathcock Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 4:47 PM To: 'NANOG list' <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: CALEA Requirements NANOG: Can someone point me to the current CALEA requirements? As an ISP, should I be recording all internet traffic that passes my routers? Or do I only have to record when and if I receive a court order? I'm not under any court order now, I just want to be sure that I am compliant going forward in my capabilities. Thanks! Lorell Hathcock
Kevin, That's largely true, but keep in mind that it's normal for people who have had to fulfill a request to be disallowed from talking about it which makes them seem even more rare than they actually are. I'm also not familiar with any laws that prevent state or local agencies from leveraging CALEA and I've certainly seen it used on the voice side by state level law enforcement. Scott Helms Chief Technology Officer ZCorum (678) 507-5000 -------------------------------- http://twitter.com/kscotthelms -------------------------------- On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Kevin Burke <kburke@burlingtontelecom.com> wrote:
Ignore it until you get the paperwork. The local law enforcement can not get a warrant for the real time, full data capture. Only FBI or other national agencies can get those subpeona's. We went through this with our local police department. They wanted to make sure we were prepared and wanted a test for the real time number capture on phone calls. They didn't mention they don't have any equipment on their side to connect the T1.
Ask your local neighbors. Some area's have a number of local federal investigations. If you get the deer in the headlights look from your competition then you may never get one of these.
The full data captures are rare.
Kevin Burke 802-540-0979 Burlington Telecom - City of Burlington 200 Church St, Burlington, VT 05401
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Lorell Hathcock Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 4:47 PM To: 'NANOG list' <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: CALEA Requirements
NANOG:
Can someone point me to the current CALEA requirements?
As an ISP, should I be recording all internet traffic that passes my routers? Or do I only have to record when and if I receive a court order?
I'm not under any court order now, I just want to be sure that I am compliant going forward in my capabilities.
Thanks!
Lorell Hathcock
I believe Scott, just hit the nail on the head... "but keep in mind that it's normal for people who have had to fulfill a request *to be disallowed from talking about it* which makes them seem even more rare than they actually are." On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 4:28 PM, Scott Helms <khelms@zcorum.com> wrote:
Kevin,
That's largely true, but keep in mind that it's normal for people who have had to fulfill a request to be disallowed from talking about it which makes them seem even more rare than they actually are. I'm also not familiar with any laws that prevent state or local agencies from leveraging CALEA and I've certainly seen it used on the voice side by state level law enforcement.
Scott Helms Chief Technology Officer ZCorum (678) 507-5000 -------------------------------- http://twitter.com/kscotthelms --------------------------------
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Kevin Burke <kburke@burlingtontelecom.com
wrote:
Ignore it until you get the paperwork. The local law enforcement can not get a warrant for the real time, full data capture. Only FBI or other national agencies can get those subpeona's. We went through this with our local police department. They wanted to make sure we were prepared and wanted a test for the real time number capture on phone calls. They didn't mention they don't have any equipment on their side to connect the T1.
Ask your local neighbors. Some area's have a number of local federal investigations. If you get the deer in the headlights look from your competition then you may never get one of these.
The full data captures are rare.
Kevin Burke 802-540-0979 Burlington Telecom - City of Burlington 200 Church St, Burlington, VT 05401
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Lorell Hathcock Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 4:47 PM To: 'NANOG list' <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: CALEA Requirements
NANOG:
Can someone point me to the current CALEA requirements?
As an ISP, should I be recording all internet traffic that passes my routers? Or do I only have to record when and if I receive a court order?
I'm not under any court order now, I just want to be sure that I am compliant going forward in my capabilities.
Thanks!
Lorell Hathcock
Thanks for the tips. All good info. Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 18, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Kraig Beahn <kraig@enguity.com> wrote:
I believe Scott, just hit the nail on the head... "but keep in mind that it's normal for people who have had to fulfill a request *to be disallowed from talking about it* which makes them seem even more rare than they actually are."
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 4:28 PM, Scott Helms <khelms@zcorum.com> wrote:
Kevin,
That's largely true, but keep in mind that it's normal for people who have had to fulfill a request to be disallowed from talking about it which makes them seem even more rare than they actually are. I'm also not familiar with any laws that prevent state or local agencies from leveraging CALEA and I've certainly seen it used on the voice side by state level law enforcement.
Scott Helms Chief Technology Officer ZCorum (678) 507-5000 -------------------------------- http://twitter.com/kscotthelms --------------------------------
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Kevin Burke <kburke@burlingtontelecom.com wrote:
Ignore it until you get the paperwork. The local law enforcement can not get a warrant for the real time, full data capture. Only FBI or other national agencies can get those subpeona's. We went through this with our local police department. They wanted to make sure we were prepared and wanted a test for the real time number capture on phone calls. They didn't mention they don't have any equipment on their side to connect the T1.
Ask your local neighbors. Some area's have a number of local federal investigations. If you get the deer in the headlights look from your competition then you may never get one of these.
The full data captures are rare.
Kevin Burke 802-540-0979 Burlington Telecom - City of Burlington 200 Church St, Burlington, VT 05401
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Lorell Hathcock Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 4:47 PM To: 'NANOG list' <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: CALEA Requirements
NANOG:
Can someone point me to the current CALEA requirements?
As an ISP, should I be recording all internet traffic that passes my routers? Or do I only have to record when and if I receive a court order?
I'm not under any court order now, I just want to be sure that I am compliant going forward in my capabilities.
Thanks!
Lorell Hathcock
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