On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:55 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote:

On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:39:20 -0500, you said:

3) Many times, there are multiple customer computers behind a NAT. Do you really want the hassle of an irate user calling in because you just broke the dad's VPN to work, because one of their kids has some cruft on their computer? (And no, don't try to tell them they should have bought business class service or similar crap, that *will* lose you a customer).

The malware isn't infecting the end-uses router therefore if there is multiple users behind that NAT'd router as long as there not infected they won't be shut off when those DNS servers go dark.

And if daddy is dumb enough to let his 8 year old son use his PC or laptop w/o proper monitoring and gets infected thats his fault. I know I dont let my 10 year old use my work computers , and he knows how to code , but he is still a child and clicks stupid things. Your basically telling me the ISPs should not take any responsibility, well then how can we get pissed off when a host lets a spammer spam for a week straight and is aware and doesn't shut them off, or notices a DDOS attack is stemming from there network, a customer has 5-6 servers he pays for with unmetered gigabit ports and is clearly blasting someone to hell and back with spoofed packets , but because there margins are so thin they shouldn't turn him off and cancel him so they do not have to cut into there 'margins'... In the network world your either on the content side or the eyeball side, and the eyeball networks seem to have double standards when it comes to network abuse. Until this ends and the double standards stop the amount of malware and attacks will never go decrease. I say to your 'it costs the isp money' to do cleanup, that it costs content providers money to do cleanup of constantly being scanned and probed and hacked by what is mostly hacked end-user machines who got owned browsing the internet because they went to a website that had a virus installed by another end-users machine who was compromised the same way, its a vicious circle and as an operator of a content provider im tired of the other half of the internet not taking there share of the responsibility. /End of rant..