bandwidth for PyCon 08 in Chicago
Let me start with: I pretty much have no clue. but it is ok, because I don't get to spend any money. But I do get to help figure out how to get internet bandwidth to a hotel near Chicago (Crown in Rosemont) for a week in March 08 and figured maybe someone here can help. There are 2 aspects to this: 1. bandwidth for PyCon, and no one else. This is the easiest, but most costly. (20k ish total) 2. help the Crown upgrade their setup from 3 T1s to a DS3. (the fiber is there.) so they have it for other conventions. more hassle, more money, but less cost to PyCon. Below are some 'details' that a PyCon guy has collected. Anyone here feel this is there line of work? Carl K Highlights from Sean Reifschneider posts: -- begin quote -- 04/02/07 I've gotten a quote from Time Warner, one of the providers we use at our hosting facility. Their price would be $5,543/month with $750 setup for month-to-month DS-3 service. This would be a fully DS-3 running at 45mbps. On top of this, we would probably need to spend a couple of grand on a router to terminate the line. So far, this is the only place I've gotten who is willing to do a month-to-month DS-3, this pricing is quite good *** 4/8/07 Here are my preliminary numbers for networking for 2008 and 2009: 45mbps DS-3 for 2008: $6,300 45mbps DS-3 for 2009: $6,300 Router to terminate DS-3 for 2008&9: $4600 Additional access points for 2008&9: $2300 Switches, network, and power cables 2008&9: $500 Stands or mounting for APs for 2008&9: $1000 This largely assumes we are going to go with the DS-3, so things may change depending on that. The first year outlay would be around $14,700, second year I would expect to be more like $6,300. **** I did see one price saying $1300/month for a DS-3 with 10mbps, and 130mbps above that. This is burstable service, up to 45mbps, so we would just pay for what we'd use above 10mbps. *** 06/28/07 I believe the cost is something around $2500 for a single month term *** 7/7/07 I've asked Randy of TWTC what needs to be done about getting the contract signed for 2008. I've asked him to work with you, David, about the date and any other information he needs for the contrac -- end quote --
On Tue, August 7, 2007 6:48 pm, Carl Karsten wrote:
1. bandwidth for PyCon, and no one else. This is the easiest, but most costly. (20k ish total)
That seems awfully high for a short-term hookup, though from the rest of the email I'm guessing you're mainly looking at wireline hookups. Have you shopped around for a short-term wireless link? If you can get on the roof of the hotel, and the roof of someone else nearby that has more bandwidth, and point a pair of radios at each other, that's probably do-able for far less than 20k. In Chicago, the folks at CW Lab (www.cwlab.com) may be able to get you started. They're more of a consulting firm now, from the looks of their Web site, but they've done things like this before, and they're local to Chicago; if they can't help they probably know someone who can. David Smith MVN.net
In Chicago, the folks at CW Lab (www.cwlab.com) may be able to get you started. They're more of a consulting firm now, from the looks of
their
Web site, but they've done things like this before, and they're local to Chicago; if they can't help they probably know someone who can.
Isn't Charles Wu of cwlab the one who would only donate wireless hardware to the Katrina effort if they put his logo on or near the podium during official press events? -joe ------------------------------------------------- Joseph A. Johnson, MCSE, MCP, A+ Chief Technology Officer Riverside Consulting Group, Ltd. Email: joe@riversidecg.com Web: www.riversidecg.com Phone: 312-231-8315
If you are looking for wireless in Chicago I would suggest Business Only Broadband. I don't have any direct experience with them, but others have had good things to say. Regardless, I agree with David; wireless is ideal for short-term bandwidth needs. -Matt David E. Smith wrote:
On Tue, August 7, 2007 6:48 pm, Carl Karsten wrote:
1. bandwidth for PyCon, and no one else. This is the easiest, but most costly. (20k ish total)
That seems awfully high for a short-term hookup, though from the rest of the email I'm guessing you're mainly looking at wireline hookups. Have you shopped around for a short-term wireless link?
If you can get on the roof of the hotel, and the roof of someone else nearby that has more bandwidth, and point a pair of radios at each other, that's probably do-able for far less than 20k.
In Chicago, the folks at CW Lab (www.cwlab.com) may be able to get you started. They're more of a consulting firm now, from the looks of their Web site, but they've done things like this before, and they're local to Chicago; if they can't help they probably know someone who can.
David Smith MVN.net
Wireless connection may be depends on clear sight between their presence and the hotel. Or contact local cable modem provider for short term arrangement if they have coverage for the hotel using existing coax cable. ^.^ Hyun Matt Liotta wrote:
If you are looking for wireless in Chicago I would suggest Business Only Broadband. I don't have any direct experience with them, but others have had good things to say. Regardless, I agree with David; wireless is ideal for short-term bandwidth needs.
-Matt
David E. Smith wrote:
On Tue, August 7, 2007 6:48 pm, Carl Karsten wrote:
1. bandwidth for PyCon, and no one else. This is the easiest, but most costly. (20k ish total)
That seems awfully high for a short-term hookup, though from the rest of the email I'm guessing you're mainly looking at wireline hookups. Have you shopped around for a short-term wireless link?
If you can get on the roof of the hotel, and the roof of someone else nearby that has more bandwidth, and point a pair of radios at each other, that's probably do-able for far less than 20k.
In Chicago, the folks at CW Lab (www.cwlab.com) may be able to get you started. They're more of a consulting firm now, from the looks of their Web site, but they've done things like this before, and they're local to Chicago; if they can't help they probably know someone who can.
David Smith MVN.net
Did you check with hotel whether they have available fiber or coax from local CO ? In that case, installation cost may be reduced since it is matter of cross-connection with local ISP. Hotel may have special arrangement with local ISP just in case of conference or something like that. Hyun Carl Karsten wrote:
Let me start with: I pretty much have no clue. but it is ok, because I don't get to spend any money.
But I do get to help figure out how to get internet bandwidth to a hotel near Chicago (Crown in Rosemont) for a week in March 08 and figured maybe someone here can help.
There are 2 aspects to this:
1. bandwidth for PyCon, and no one else. This is the easiest, but most costly. (20k ish total)
2. help the Crown upgrade their setup from 3 T1s to a DS3. (the fiber is there.) so they have it for other conventions. more hassle, more money, but less cost to PyCon.
Below are some 'details' that a PyCon guy has collected. Anyone here feel this is there line of work?
Carl K
Highlights from Sean Reifschneider posts: -- begin quote -- 04/02/07
I've gotten a quote from Time Warner, one of the providers we use at our hosting facility. Their price would be $5,543/month with $750 setup for month-to-month DS-3 service. This would be a fully DS-3 running at 45mbps. On top of this, we would probably need to spend a couple of grand on a router to terminate the line. So far, this is the only place I've gotten who is willing to do a month-to-month DS-3, this pricing is quite good ***
4/8/07
Here are my preliminary numbers for networking for 2008 and 2009:
45mbps DS-3 for 2008: $6,300 45mbps DS-3 for 2009: $6,300 Router to terminate DS-3 for 2008&9: $4600 Additional access points for 2008&9: $2300 Switches, network, and power cables 2008&9: $500 Stands or mounting for APs for 2008&9: $1000
This largely assumes we are going to go with the DS-3, so things may change depending on that. The first year outlay would be around $14,700, second year I would expect to be more like $6,300. ****
I did see one price saying $1300/month for a DS-3 with 10mbps, and 130mbps above that. This is burstable service, up to 45mbps, so we would just pay for what we'd use above 10mbps. *** 06/28/07 I believe the cost is something around $2500 for a single month term *** 7/7/07 I've asked Randy of TWTC what needs to be done about getting the contract signed for 2008. I've asked him to work with you, David, about the date and any other information he needs for the contrac
-- end quote --
If you are asking that, what did you think this meant?
2. help the Crown upgrade their setup from 3 T1s to a DS3. (the fiber is there.)
Carl K Hyunseog Ryu wrote:
Did you check with hotel whether they have available fiber or coax from local CO ? In that case, installation cost may be reduced since it is matter of cross-connection with local ISP. Hotel may have special arrangement with local ISP just in case of conference or something like that.
Hyun
Carl Karsten wrote:
Let me start with: I pretty much have no clue. but it is ok, because I don't get to spend any money.
But I do get to help figure out how to get internet bandwidth to a hotel near Chicago (Crown in Rosemont) for a week in March 08 and figured maybe someone here can help.
There are 2 aspects to this:
1. bandwidth for PyCon, and no one else. This is the easiest, but most costly. (20k ish total)
2. help the Crown upgrade their setup from 3 T1s to a DS3. (the fiber is there.) so they have it for other conventions. more hassle, more money, but less cost to PyCon.
Below are some 'details' that a PyCon guy has collected. Anyone here feel this is there line of work?
Carl K
Highlights from Sean Reifschneider posts: -- begin quote -- 04/02/07
I've gotten a quote from Time Warner, one of the providers we use at our hosting facility. Their price would be $5,543/month with $750 setup for month-to-month DS-3 service. This would be a fully DS-3 running at 45mbps. On top of this, we would probably need to spend a couple of grand on a router to terminate the line. So far, this is the only place I've gotten who is willing to do a month-to-month DS-3, this pricing is quite good ***
4/8/07
Here are my preliminary numbers for networking for 2008 and 2009:
45mbps DS-3 for 2008: $6,300 45mbps DS-3 for 2009: $6,300 Router to terminate DS-3 for 2008&9: $4600 Additional access points for 2008&9: $2300 Switches, network, and power cables 2008&9: $500 Stands or mounting for APs for 2008&9: $1000
This largely assumes we are going to go with the DS-3, so things may change depending on that. The first year outlay would be around $14,700, second year I would expect to be more like $6,300. ****
I did see one price saying $1300/month for a DS-3 with 10mbps, and 130mbps above that. This is burstable service, up to 45mbps, so we would just pay for what we'd use above 10mbps. *** 06/28/07 I believe the cost is something around $2500 for a single month term *** 7/7/07 I've asked Randy of TWTC what needs to be done about getting the contract signed for 2008. I've asked him to work with you, David, about the date and any other information he needs for the contrac
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