A knowledgeable investor would ask your HR department a few questions: 1. Which half of the resume do you believe? 2. Is it really more economical to ignore half your talent than spend a little checking resumes? 3. What does it say about your company's ethics that you accept that all your employees are liars? but then you have to find that knowledgeable investor first... Just my 2¢ and in similar circumstances, -Al USAF Ret. -----Original Message----- From: James Smith [mailto:jsmith@PRESIDIO.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:03 PM To: 'smd@clock.org'; 'lists-nanog@silverwraith.com'; 'sean@donelan.com' Cc: 'Jml@ebay.com'; 'nanog@merit.edu' Subject: RE: How to get better security people -----Original Message----- From: smd@clock.org [ mailto:smd@clock.org <mailto:smd@clock.org> ] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:41 PM To: lists-nanog@silverwraith.com; sean@donelan.com Cc: Jml@ebay.com; nanog@merit.edu Subject: RE: How to get better security people | The problem right now is if you advertise for a job, you will get | blasted with literally tens of thousands of resumes. What should I | be telling the HR department to look for? New careers. Sean. ============= That's the problem. Too many folks seeing the big money going to the tech weenies, and upon taking an MCSE boot camp, think they now qualify for a senior Admin/Security job. That and resume inflation, real or percieved. Too much noise in the system and inefective noise reduction methods... My resume is factual, and when I got out of the military, I was penalized by my first civilian employer. When I stated I could in fact set up a needed DNS, I was told they would hire it out. I asked why hire it out when I could do it. I was told, "we only believe half of any resume we get, and we don't think that you have the necessary experience." If setting up and running <deleted>.af.mil (now gone), and doing the very first <deleted>.af.mil DNS located on the base (complete with off-site secondaries), and running it until transitioned about a year later to the comm squadron folks I trained didn't count, then what did? Not bitter, though. Got a new employer... James H. Smith II NNCDS NNCSE Systems Engineer The Presidio Corporation