Re: The block message is 521 DNSRBL: Blocked for abuse
On 9/18/2013 7:15 PM, Tammy Firefly wrote:
On 9/18/13 5:07 PM, Andrew D Kirch wrote:
On 9/18/2013 6:55 PM, Tammy Firefly wrote:
I used to run the AHBL and ARIN used to contact us when they recycled IP space. We always removed when contacted by ARIN.
Andrew
ARIN hasnt contacted us for this since i've been involved with the ahbl for ~5 years. just a FYI. Well, it'd seem we found the problem then.
Andrew
Ive know ARIN is a problem for a lotta years andrew :P When we contacted them and asked them to do it again we got told its against policies blablablabla.
(replying to list with Tammy's permission) This is pathetic. ARIN is supposed to be working as a steward of this IP space. When you have policies that make it more difficult to use the IP space this isn't even remotely close to stewardship. It's pathetic, with the policy making a quick turn around of releasing old IP space when you get an allocation, that ARIN is leaving innocent third parties who have paid ARIN large sums of money for this space. ARIN, frankly you can suck it. It's time to grow up and behave how you were intended to. Andrew
On 9/18/2013 7:30 PM, Andrew D Kirch wrote:
On 9/18/2013 7:15 PM, Tammy Firefly wrote:
On 9/18/13 5:07 PM, Andrew D Kirch wrote:
On 9/18/2013 6:55 PM, Tammy Firefly wrote:
I used to run the AHBL and ARIN used to contact us when they recycled IP space. We always removed when contacted by ARIN.
Andrew
ARIN hasnt contacted us for this since i've been involved with the ahbl for ~5 years. just a FYI. Well, it'd seem we found the problem then.
Andrew
Ive know ARIN is a problem for a lotta years andrew :P When we contacted them and asked them to do it again we got told its against policies blablablabla.
(replying to list with Tammy's permission) This is pathetic. ARIN is supposed to be working as a steward of this IP space. When you have policies that make it more difficult to use the IP space this isn't even remotely close to stewardship. It's pathetic, with the policy making a quick turn around of releasing old IP space when you get an allocation, that ARIN is leaving innocent third parties who have paid ARIN large sums of money for this space. ARIN, frankly you can suck it. It's time to grow up and behave how you were intended to.
Andrew
If only there was a way for anyone to get a daily report of number resource allocations... https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=daily%20internet%20number%20resource%20allocation%20... First link. -DMM
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 9/18/13 6:10 PM, David Miller wrote:
On 9/18/2013 7:30 PM, Andrew D Kirch wrote:
On 9/18/2013 7:15 PM, Tammy Firefly wrote:
On 9/18/13 5:07 PM, Andrew D Kirch wrote:
On 9/18/2013 6:55 PM, Tammy Firefly wrote:
I used to run the AHBL and ARIN used to contact us when they recycled IP space. We always removed when contacted by ARIN.
Andrew
ARIN hasnt contacted us for this since i've been involved with the ahbl for ~5 years. just a FYI. Well, it'd seem we found the problem then.
Andrew
Ive know ARIN is a problem for a lotta years andrew :P When we contacted them and asked them to do it again we got told its against policies blablablabla.
(replying to list with Tammy's permission) This is pathetic. ARIN is supposed to be working as a steward of this IP space. When you have policies that make it more difficult to use the IP space this isn't even remotely close to stewardship. It's pathetic, with the policy making a quick turn around of releasing old IP space when you get an allocation, that ARIN is leaving innocent third parties who have paid ARIN large sums of money for this space. ARIN, frankly you can suck it. It's time to grow up and behave how you were intended to.
Andrew
If only there was a way for anyone to get a daily report of number resource allocations...
https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=daily%20internet%20number%20resource%20allocation%20...
First link.
-DMM
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 9/18/13 6:10 PM, David Miller wrote:
On 9/18/2013 7:30 PM, Andrew D Kirch wrote:
On 9/18/2013 7:15 PM, Tammy Firefly wrote:
On 9/18/13 5:07 PM, Andrew D Kirch wrote:
On 9/18/2013 6:55 PM, Tammy Firefly wrote:
I used to run the AHBL and ARIN used to contact us when they recycled IP space. We always removed when contacted by ARIN.
Andrew
ARIN hasnt contacted us for this since i've been involved with the ahbl for ~5 years. just a FYI. Well, it'd seem we found the problem then.
Andrew
Ive know ARIN is a problem for a lotta years andrew :P When we contacted them and asked them to do it again we got told its against policies blablablabla.
(replying to list with Tammy's permission) This is pathetic. ARIN is supposed to be working as a steward of this IP space. When you have policies that make it more difficult to use the IP space this isn't even remotely close to stewardship. It's pathetic, with the policy making a quick turn around of releasing old IP space when you get an allocation, that ARIN is leaving innocent third parties who have paid ARIN large sums of money for this space. ARIN, frankly you can suck it. It's time to grow up and behave how you were intended to.
Andrew
If only there was a way for anyone to get a daily report of number resource allocations...
https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=daily%20internet%20number%20resource%20allocation%20...
First link.
-DMM
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On 9/18/2013 8:16 PM, Tammy Firefly wrote:
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Those also are statistics not actual IP block numbers being deallocated/allocated.
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On 9/18/2013 8:16 PM, Tammy Firefly wrote:
On 9/18/13 6:10 PM, David Miller wrote:
On 9/18/2013 7:30 PM, Andrew D Kirch wrote:
On 9/18/2013 7:15 PM, Tammy Firefly wrote:
On 9/18/13 5:07 PM, Andrew D Kirch wrote:
On 9/18/2013 6:55 PM, Tammy Firefly wrote:
> I used to run the AHBL and ARIN used to contact us when > they recycled IP space. We always removed when contacted > by ARIN. > > Andrew > ARIN hasnt contacted us for this since i've been involved with the ahbl for ~5 years. just a FYI. Well, it'd seem we found the problem then.
Andrew
Ive know ARIN is a problem for a lotta years andrew :P When we contacted them and asked them to do it again we got told its against policies blablablabla.
(replying to list with Tammy's permission) This is pathetic. ARIN is supposed to be working as a steward of this IP space. When you have policies that make it more difficult to use the IP space this isn't even remotely close to stewardship. It's pathetic, with the policy making a quick turn around of releasing old IP space when you get an allocation, that ARIN is leaving innocent third parties who have paid ARIN large sums of money for this space. ARIN, frankly you can suck it. It's time to grow up and behave how you were intended to.
Andrew
If only there was a way for anyone to get a daily report of number resource allocations...
https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=daily%20internet%20number%20resource%20allocation%20...
First link.
-DMM
Those also are statistics not actual IP block numbers being deallocated/allocated.
The Status Reports (PDFs) down the page are statistics, updated quarterly. At the top of the page is the delegated-extended daily report. "The file delegated-extended contains a daily updated report of the distribution of Internet number resources. The resources reported are: IPv4 address ranges (IPv4) IPv6 address ranges (IPv6) Autonomous System Numbers (ASNs)" That file is text. The lines for IPv4 look like: apnic|AU|ipv4|1.0.0.0|256|20110811|assigned|A9173591|e-stats apnic|CN|ipv4|1.0.1.0|256|20110414|assigned|A92E1062|e-stats apnic|CN|ipv4|1.0.2.0|512|20110414|assigned|A92E1062|e-stats The Readme file explains the fields: http://www.nro.net/wp-content/uploads/nro-extended-stats-readme5.txt 4th field is start IP 5th field is number of IPs in block 6th field is date of allocation/assignment I would think that file might be parsed, compared to RBL listings, and if listing date (or last bad behavior date) < allocation/assignment date - then remove listing. -DMM
This is pathetic. ARIN is supposed to be working as a steward of this IP space. When you have policies that make it more difficult to use the IP space this isn't even remotely close to stewardship. It's pathetic,
Unfortunately, a surprising number of "new" IP space owners turn out to be the sleazy old IP space owners under a differnt fake name. R's, John
On 9/18/2013 9:02 PM, John Levine wrote:
This is pathetic. ARIN is supposed to be working as a steward of this IP space. When you have policies that make it more difficult to use the IP space this isn't even remotely close to stewardship. It's pathetic, Unfortunately, a surprising number of "new" IP space owners turn out to be the sleazy old IP space owners under a differnt fake name.
R's, John or put another way, spammers lie.
Andrew
In message <523A6203.8090504@trelane.net>, Andrew D Kirch writes:
On 9/18/2013 9:02 PM, John Levine wrote:
This is pathetic. ARIN is supposed to be working as a steward of this IP space. When you have policies that make it more difficult to use the IP space this isn't even remotely close to stewardship. It's pathetic, Unfortunately, a surprising number of "new" IP space owners turn out to be the sleazy old IP space owners under a differnt fake name.
R's, John or put another way, spammers lie.
Andrew
Which is irrelevent to removing a address block on the basis of a RIR recording that the block has been reallocated. A reallocation already goes through a quarantine period though that may get shorter as time goes on. A transfer on the other hand doesn't. There may be some use in recording whether a address block is transfered or allocated. Note I'm not sure if the allocation date gets updated on a transfer or not. There may be some use in recording when a address block is quarantined. Mark -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org
On Sep 18, 2013, at 10:46 PM, Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> wrote:
Which is irrelevent to removing a address block on the basis of a RIR recording that the block has been reallocated. A reallocation already goes through a quarantine period though that may get shorter as time goes on.
A transfer on the other hand doesn't.
Correct. A transfer is not an issuance of space, and could very easily be to a recipient related to the original party that caused the current reputation. Whereas the issuance of address space to a qualified requestor (even if previously issued and now returned to ARIN) is far more likely to an unrelated new party than anyone related to the original block holder.
There may be some use in recording whether a address block is transfered or allocated. Note I'm not sure if the allocation date gets updated on a transfer or not.
The arin-issued feed is simply issued resources (not transfers) - <https://www.arin.net/participate/mailing_lists/arin_issued.html> It is highly recommended that folks running reputation systems monitor this feed and avoid penalizing parties being issued resources, as those requesting have no control over the prior history of these blocks before their return to ARIN. We are going to see quite a bit more of reissued blocks as we get down towards the bottom of the available pool in this region (i.e. over the next 6 to 12 months) Thanks! /John John Curran President and CEO ARIN
On Sep 24, 2013, at 7:58 AM, John Curran <jcurran@arin.net> wrote:
On Sep 18, 2013, at 10:46 PM, Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> wrote:
Which is irrelevent to removing a address block on the basis of a RIR recording that the block has been reallocated. A reallocation already goes through a quarantine period though that may get shorter as time goes on.
A transfer on the other hand doesn't.
Correct. A transfer is not an issuance of space, and could very easily be to a recipient related to the original party that caused the current reputation.
Okay, my apologies for supplying one piece of information which was not quite correct with respect to the above - A transfer which occurs due to merger or acquisition is simply the updating of the organization and/or contacts, and does not result in a new issue date, nor does it show up in the arin-issued feed as noted above. A sale (aka specified transfer) has a new issued date, and thus does appear in the arin-issued feed. It is still likely that these are to new parties but if an party operating a reputation service is concerned about the risk of "reputation washing via transfer", then they should monitor the list of specified transferred address blocks which is here: <https://www.arin.net/knowledge/statistics/transfers.html> Note also, there is more useful aspect of the arin-issued feed for those operating reputation services, and that is with respect to blocks returned to ARIN - Any blocks that come back to ARIN (whether reclaimed/revoked/recovered) are placed in hold status upon receipt. This hold period used to be one year, then was reduced to 6 months, is presently 3 months, and at ARIN IPv4 depletion will be just 1 one month per the ARIN IPv4 countdown plan: <https://www.arin.net/resources/request/ipv4_countdown.html. As blocks come out of held status, they are removed from assigned status and show up in the arin-issued report with the "Remove" keyword. At that point, these blocks are definitely safe to remove from any reputation history, as they are completely disassociated with the past resource holder and will be shortly issued anew to the next organization in queue. FYI, /John John Curran President and CEO ARIN
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