Spam which is designed to crash POP and many mail readers...
[More proof that these "spammers" aren't selling anything, they're just garden-variety petit criminals trying to disrupt the internet...] Anyhow, has anyone else seen this recent spate of spam which is basically designed to crash POP and Netscape and other programs in the past few days? It's not you, they've found "from" addresses which cause problems, the usual first symptom is a bunch of people complaining about "stuck" POP locks or problems with Netscape, elm and other mail readers. [Oh yeah I'm suuuurrrre these are just "honest" business people, who just don't want anyone to be able to read their ads...] BTW, they really do look mostly like legitimate ads, albeit for your typically questionable products (stop smoking herbs or something like that.) These so-called spammers are laughing their asses off at us. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@world.std.com | http://www.std.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD The World | Public Access Internet | Since 1989 *oo*
On Sat, Feb 21, 1998 at 04:58:23PM -0500, Barry Shein wrote:
[More proof that these "spammers" aren't selling anything, they're just garden-variety petit criminals trying to disrupt the internet...]
Anyhow, has anyone else seen this recent spate of spam which is basically designed to crash POP and Netscape and other programs in the past few days?
It's not you, they've found "from" addresses which cause problems, the usual first symptom is a bunch of people complaining about "stuck" POP locks or problems with Netscape, elm and other mail readers.
The stuff that fries me is the stuff that uses HTML inlines to crash the mail readers of people who are dumb enough to use mail readers that _interpret_ HTML in mail bodies automatically... which We All Know Mail Readers Shouldn't Do. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Unsolicited Commercial Emailers Sued The Suncoast Freenet "Two words: Darth Doogie." -- Jason Colby, Tampa Bay, Florida on alt.fan.heinlein +1 813 790 7592 Managing Editor, Top Of The Key sports e-zine ------------ http://www.totk.com
Is there any consensus on how to document threats from anti-spam or pro-spam terrorists in a legally usefull format? This message is colored by just having received threats from one of the more violent anti-spammers. Apparently a client of one of our ISP clients sent out an advertisement for CPUs' or something like that. I went to the anti-spammer home page. Ouch. Its full about how guns are cool and usefull. What the benefits of *really* sharp knives are. Scary. Can't decide whether its a total psycho or just trying (with success) to project that image. As much as I personnally wish for SPAM to just go away, it has to be up to the legal system to sort that out. We don't do dialup, so I guess we haven't seen much of this yet. There really are two terrorist groups here. Spammers and nti-Spammers. Dirk
As much as I personnally wish for SPAM to just go away, it has to be up to the legal system to sort that out.
The legal system has failed, utterly, on this one, so it's not surprising that more and more people are taking it into their own hands. A legal system works only so long as people have faith in its sincere interest in enforcing the rights of honest and decent people.
There really are two terrorist groups here. Spammers and nti-Spammers.
That's like saying people defending their properties are as bad as people they're defending against, that's moral confusion. Remember that most spammers are not selling anything, they're just maliciously trying to disrupt things, and have found a way to practice their sociopathic sickness apparently outside the reach of law enforcement. There are good and honest people working very hard to provide internet services, and then there are spammers who skulk in the shadows bombarding systems with forged mail addresses hiding their identities etc. Anyone who equates these two groups needs to have their heads examined and the malignant moral relativism tumors removed. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@world.std.com | http://www.std.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD The World | Public Access Internet | Since 1989 *oo*
The legal system can not remedy the problems of the internet, period. When it has to come to that, then we are saying we are technically incapable in handling our own networks and affairs. If you want to ruin something good with incompetance and bad decision process then we might as well pull the plug and go home. The politicians and the control freaks win and the 1st amendment then will be dead for sure. Henry R. Linneweh Barry Shein wrote:
As much as I personnally wish for SPAM to just go away, it has to be up to the legal system to sort that out.
The legal system has failed, utterly, on this one, so it's not surprising that more and more people are taking it into their own hands. A legal system works only so long as people have faith in its sincere interest in enforcing the rights of honest and decent people.
There really are two terrorist groups here. Spammers and nti-Spammers.
That's like saying people defending their properties are as bad as people they're defending against, that's moral confusion.
Remember that most spammers are not selling anything, they're just maliciously trying to disrupt things, and have found a way to practice their sociopathic sickness apparently outside the reach of law enforcement.
There are good and honest people working very hard to provide internet services, and then there are spammers who skulk in the shadows bombarding systems with forged mail addresses hiding their identities etc.
Anyone who equates these two groups needs to have their heads examined and the malignant moral relativism tumors removed.
-- -Barry Shein
Software Tool & Die | bzs@world.std.com | http://www.std.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD The World | Public Access Internet | Since 1989 *oo*
-- ¢4i1å
Please take this off-nanog if you don't have procedures. Dirk On Mon, Feb 23, 1998 at 12:00:43PM -0800, Henry Linneweh wrote:
The legal system can not remedy the problems of the internet, period. When it has to come to that, then we are saying we are technically incapable in handling our own networks and affairs. If you want to ruin something good with incompetance and bad decision process then we might as well pull the plug and go home. The politicians and the control freaks win and the 1st amendment then will be dead for sure.
Henry R. Linneweh
Barry Shein wrote:
As much as I personnally wish for SPAM to just go away, it has to be up to the legal system to sort that out.
The legal system has failed, utterly, on this one, so it's not surprising that more and more people are taking it into their own hands. A legal system works only so long as people have faith in its sincere interest in enforcing the rights of honest and decent people.
There really are two terrorist groups here. Spammers and nti-Spammers.
That's like saying people defending their properties are as bad as people they're defending against, that's moral confusion.
Remember that most spammers are not selling anything, they're just maliciously trying to disrupt things, and have found a way to practice their sociopathic sickness apparently outside the reach of law enforcement.
There are good and honest people working very hard to provide internet services, and then there are spammers who skulk in the shadows bombarding systems with forged mail addresses hiding their identities etc.
Anyone who equates these two groups needs to have their heads examined and the malignant moral relativism tumors removed.
-- -Barry Shein
Software Tool & Die | bzs@world.std.com | http://www.std.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD The World | Public Access Internet | Since 1989 *oo*
-- ¢4i1å
I went to the anti-spammer home page. Ouch. Its full about how guns are cool and usefull. What the benefits of *really* sharp knives are. Scary. Can't decide whether its a total psycho or just trying (with success) to project that image.
there are a lot of anti-spam web pages. http://maps.vix.com/, http://spam.abuse.net/, and http://www.cauce.org/ are examples of the less psycho side of things.
Thanks. I looked at those but didn't see any procedures that could be used in a legal context. Just to clarify, I was talking about this particular anti-spammer's home page. An individual. As in real life, psychos sometimes hide in the cover of other causes. Dirk On Mon, Feb 23, 1998 at 10:04:32AM -0800, Paul A Vixie wrote:
I went to the anti-spammer home page. Ouch. Its full about how guns are cool and usefull. What the benefits of *really* sharp knives are. Scary. Can't decide whether its a total psycho or just trying (with success) to project that image.
there are a lot of anti-spam web pages. http://maps.vix.com/, http://spam.abuse.net/, and http://www.cauce.org/ are examples of the less psycho side of things.
I took a look at your main web pages and didn't see any reference to an Acceptable Use Policy etc. What is your policy on spamming from your net or hosting spammers? (Since you brought up the subject :-) On Sat, 21 Feb 1998 dirk@power.net wrote:
From: dirk@power.net To: nanog@merit.edu Cc: legal@power.net Subject: How to document threats from pro or anti spam terrorists? X-mailer: Mutt 0.84e
Is there any consensus on how to document threats from anti-spam or pro-spam terrorists in a legally usefull format?
This message is colored by just having received threats from one of the more violent anti-spammers. Apparently a client of one of our ISP clients sent out an advertisement for CPUs' or something like that.
I went to the anti-spammer home page. Ouch. Its full about how guns are cool and usefull. What the benefits of *really* sharp knives are. Scary. Can't decide whether its a total psycho or just trying (with success) to project that image.
As much as I personnally wish for SPAM to just go away, it has to be up to the legal system to sort that out.
We don't do dialup, so I guess we haven't seen much of this yet. There really are two terrorist groups here. Spammers and nti-Spammers.
Dirk
- James D. Wilson netsurf@sersol.com
I got almost a dozen emails regarding this subject. Fine. To get this and other non-operations topics off nanog I have setup off-nanog@power.net. To subscribe send email to: off-nanog-subscribe@power.net Unsubscribe works the same way. We use ezmlm. Dirk On Mon, Feb 23, 1998 at 07:07:19PM -1000, NetSurfer wrote:
I took a look at your main web pages and didn't see any reference to an Acceptable Use Policy etc. What is your policy on spamming from your net or hosting spammers? (Since you brought up the subject :-)
On Sat, 21 Feb 1998 dirk@power.net wrote:
From: dirk@power.net To: nanog@merit.edu Cc: legal@power.net Subject: How to document threats from pro or anti spam terrorists? X-mailer: Mutt 0.84e
Is there any consensus on how to document threats from anti-spam or pro-spam terrorists in a legally usefull format?
This message is colored by just having received threats from one of the more violent anti-spammers. Apparently a client of one of our ISP clients sent out an advertisement for CPUs' or something like that.
I went to the anti-spammer home page. Ouch. Its full about how guns are cool and usefull. What the benefits of *really* sharp knives are. Scary. Can't decide whether its a total psycho or just trying (with success) to project that image.
As much as I personnally wish for SPAM to just go away, it has to be up to the legal system to sort that out.
We don't do dialup, so I guess we haven't seen much of this yet. There really are two terrorist groups here. Spammers and nti-Spammers.
Dirk
- James D. Wilson netsurf@sersol.com
I got almost a dozen emails regarding this subject. Fine.
To get this and other non-operations topics off nanog I have setup off-nanog@power.net. To subscribe send email to:
off-nanog-subscribe@power.net
Unsubscribe works the same way. We use ezmlm.
Unfortunately, you're not first. nodlist@nodewarrior.net was created in September of 1997 for the purpose of discussions that didn't fit the NANOG charter (mail to nodlist-request@nodewarrior.net) by Christoer Hoff <hoff@nodewarrior.net>. Whether it was a good idea or not, surely we don't need two such things. Please take a moment to explain how your list differs, and consider axe-ing it in favor of that which came first. --jhawk
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