Re: Why the US Government has so many data centers
--- sean@donelan.com wrote: From: Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com> : But if a majority of the "data centers" are a single server : in a room, the cost savings of moving it to a different : room may not save billions of dollars. But no one will : remember. Many are not one, rather several. For example, in a job there were two M$ servers in a room. The guides required an AD setup (with a backup AD), 2 NTP servers with Stratum 1 (for, you know the logs in the syslog server; they need to be accurate), a router, a LAN switch (can't put a LAN switch card in the router) and a firewall. All for *two* servers. I'm not even mentioning the administrative requirements for all the boxes. It's all phunny money. Real economics are not even considered. At all. : Prediction, there will be a glowing report in a year or so : about the huge cost savings, and then a couple years later : will be an Inspector General report about problems counting : things. And he will get his money, so the counting will get done. Bigger budget, more responsibility, more scope of authority, higher pay. Not the IE just gov't managers in general. : If that's what taxpayers want, that's what they'll get. Taxpayers get no say in the process. We can chant 'more efficiency' all we want. It's just water on a duck's back. Nothing will change. Like an ant trying to turn a tank. scott
On Mon, 14 Mar 2016, Scott Weeks wrote:
It's all phunny money. Real economics are not even considered. At all.
And what makes your think the Data Center Optimization Initiative is any different, when they are counting single servers instead of data centers? If it was a rational, coherent plan; that would be great. Instead I see lots of people spending years looking for servers, and writing reports about counting servers, and moving servers from on room to another room. What's the return on investment counting paperclips? Declare victory now.
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 04:49:38PM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote:
On Mon, 14 Mar 2016, Scott Weeks wrote:
It's all phunny money. Real economics are not even considered. At all.
And what makes your think the Data Center Optimization Initiative is any different, when they are counting single servers instead of data centers?
If it was a rational, coherent plan; that would be great. Instead I see lots of people spending years looking for servers, and writing reports about counting servers, and moving servers from on room to another room. What's the return on investment counting paperclips?
But when they're finished, they'll have the serial number of each individual paperclip, and a paperclip history form to go with it. -- Mike Andrews, W5EGO mikea@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin
Plus a subsequent GAO report accounting for a miscount due to using paperclips on the history forms. On Mar 14, 2016, at 4:06 PM, mikea <mikea@mikea.ath.cx<mailto:mikea@mikea.ath.cx>> wrote: On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 04:49:38PM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote: On Mon, 14 Mar 2016, Scott Weeks wrote: It's all phunny money. Real economics are not even considered. At all. And what makes your think the Data Center Optimization Initiative is any different, when they are counting single servers instead of data centers? If it was a rational, coherent plan; that would be great. Instead I see lots of people spending years looking for servers, and writing reports about counting servers, and moving servers from on room to another room. What's the return on investment counting paperclips? But when they're finished, they'll have the serial number of each individual paperclip, and a paperclip history form to go with it. -- Mike Andrews, W5EGO mikea@mikea.ath.cx<mailto:mikea@mikea.ath.cx> Tired old sysadmin --- Keith Stokes
Yeah, but at the end we will have reduced paper clip losses significantly! Of course paper clip usage will go up to support the new paper clip auditing department. -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of mikea Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 3:06 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Why the US Government has so many data centers On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 04:49:38PM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote:
On Mon, 14 Mar 2016, Scott Weeks wrote:
It's all phunny money. Real economics are not even considered. At all.
And what makes your think the Data Center Optimization Initiative is any different, when they are counting single servers instead of data centers?
If it was a rational, coherent plan; that would be great. Instead I see lots of people spending years looking for servers, and writing reports about counting servers, and moving servers from on room to another room. What's the return on investment counting paperclips?
But when they're finished, they'll have the serial number of each individual paperclip, and a paperclip history form to go with it. -- Mike Andrews, W5EGO mikea@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin
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