Reserved ASN 64702, 6to4, 2 ghosts, other oddities and still no working contacts...
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Checking http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?show=bogons&find=::/0 People might want to filter on private ASN's also when that ASN is being used as "transit"... 2001:a40::/32 AS64702 is reserved (path: 15516 3257 2497 4697 2914 10109 4538 4787 64702 20646 8763 5539 1930 9186) Ghost Route (14/12) 3ffe:3500::/24 3ffe:4005:fefe:: 25396 1752 10109 4538 4787 64702 20646 8319 We still have these 6to4 specifics btw: 2002:c2b1:d06e::/48 More specific 6to4 prefix (194.177.208.110/32) from AS5408 2002:c8a2::/33 More specific 6to4 prefix (200.162.0.0/17) from AS15180 2002:c8c6:4000::/34 More specific 6to4 prefix (200.198.64.0/18) from AS15180 2002:c8ca:7000::/36 More specific 6to4 prefix (200.202.112.0/20) from AS15180 And nopes, no contact has been made yet, apparently having your email address listed in the registry frees you of any obligations... Another funny one: 3ffe:3::/32 Subnet of 3ffe::/24 Mismatching origin ASN, should be 4555 (now: 29216) While there also is an announcement for: 2001:7fe::/32 I-rootserver-net-20030916 The ghosts of this month: 3ffe:1f00::/24 3ffe:2400::/24 Both with "10318 5623" common in their paths, obvious isn't it ? Oh and yes, still no contact from anybody at nortel, apparently that company doesn't know what IPv6 is. AS10318 (check above also) is still announcing *their* block and still haven't made any comment or reply back whatsoever. AS10318 have their own pTLA but apparently are not contactable for that pTLA either. If anybody knows someone alive for 3ffe:1300::/24 or AS762 or AS10318 please notify them. Maybe posting to nanog raises some people from sleep. Mailing the whois contacts directly doesn't help apparently. Greets, Jeroen -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Unfix PGP for Outlook Alpha 13 Int. Comment: Jeroen Massar / jeroen@unfix.org / http://unfix.org/~jeroen/ iQA/AwUBP4dLximqKFIzPnwjEQKluACglQJ+2QtJZ6O2fJZShwxLe0Z6Fz8AnRym p0Clq/HyC9EoC/RsaYudqZey =XBo4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
% Another funny one: % 3ffe:3::/32 Subnet of 3ffe::/24 Mismatching origin ASN, % should be 4555 (now: 29216) welcome to more root server testing w/ IPv6. --bill Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the time you read them, and certainly don't reflect those of any other entity (legal or otherwise).
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Bill Manning [mailto:bmanning@ISI.EDU] wrote:
% Another funny one: % 3ffe:3::/32 Subnet of 3ffe::/24 Mismatching origin ASN, % should be 4555 (now: 29216)
welcome to more root server testing w/ IPv6.
I don't mind that at all, I'd rather see them sticking AAAA's into the glue :), but I do wonder why they are not using the RIPE space they got assigned and which is being announced. 2001:7fe::/32 is for I-rootserver-net-20030916 got assigned on 2003-09-16 and was to be seen since 2003-09-17 02:51:14. This "new" 6bone can be seen since yesterday, thus there is to wonder for what purpose. There is no difference between 6bone and RIR space, unless they want to make a sign that the '6bone is not production'... Also these are the current paths: 3ffe:3::/32 8447 1853 786 109 109 4555 29216 IGP 3ffe:3::/32 1213 3549 6939 109 4555 29216 IGP 3ffe:3::/32 12779 3549 6939 109 4555 29216 IGP 3ffe:3::/32 > 6939 109 4555 29216 IGP 2001:7fe::/32 has the same "issue": 2001:7fe::/32 8954 4555 29216 2001:7fe::/32 12779 6175 4555 29216 2001:7fe::/32 15516 3257 2497 6939 109 4555 29216 As Cisco (109) and EP.Net are US based I wonder if Stockholm suddenly moved to the US :) That last one as from "Stockholm" -> US -> Japan -> Denmark... If they really want to test then use some native european connectivity, there is a *lot* of that over here. And if they can't get native, please tunnel to a *local* ISP and not to something in the US, see "Minimal IPv6 Peering": http://ip6.de.easynet.net/ipv6-minimum-peering.txt K has a RIPE delegation too, but that has not been seen (yet :) But I heared good stories about work being done on that. Greets, Jeroen -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Unfix PGP for Outlook Alpha 13 Int. Comment: Jeroen Massar / jeroen@unfix.org / http://unfix.org/~jeroen/ iQA/AwUBP4fgXimqKFIzPnwjEQJl1ACcD2aK8TGQU/YD04sZsFuMQoMSex8AoLcH 7aO9jplhb76T11d5hALTf6BD =gyub -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
[Internal error while calling pgp, raw data follows] % -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- % % Bill Manning [mailto:bmanning@ISI.EDU] wrote: % % > % Another funny one: % > % 3ffe:3::/32 Subnet of 3ffe::/24 Mismatching origin ASN, % > % should be 4555 (now: 29216) % > % > welcome to more root server testing w/ IPv6. % % I don't mind that at all, I'd rather see them sticking AAAA's % into the glue :), but I do wonder why they are not using the % RIPE space they got assigned and which is being announced. they are, for the production service. this is for experimental activities. % % 2001:7fe::/32 is for I-rootserver-net-20030916 got assigned on % 2003-09-16 and was to be seen since 2003-09-17 02:51:14. % This "new" 6bone can be seen since yesterday, thus there is to % wonder for what purpose. There is no difference between 6bone % and RIR space, unless they want to make a sign that the % '6bone is not production'... bing! the 3ffe:: entries are for experimental services -only- while the 2001:: will eventually be production services. and the test are -not- primarly about connectivity. % % Also these are the current paths: % % 3ffe:3::/32 8447 1853 786 109 109 4555 29216 IGP % 3ffe:3::/32 1213 3549 6939 109 4555 29216 IGP % 3ffe:3::/32 12779 3549 6939 109 4555 29216 IGP % 3ffe:3::/32 > 6939 109 4555 29216 IGP % % 2001:7fe::/32 has the same "issue": % 2001:7fe::/32 8954 4555 29216 % 2001:7fe::/32 12779 6175 4555 29216 % 2001:7fe::/32 15516 3257 2497 6939 109 4555 29216 % % As Cisco (109) and EP.Net are US based I wonder if % Stockholm suddenly moved to the US :) % That last one as from "Stockholm" -> US -> Japan -> Denmark... % If they really want to test then use some native european % connectivity, there is a *lot* of that over here. % And if they can't get native, please tunnel to a *local* % ISP and not to something in the US, see "Minimal IPv6 Peering": % http://ip6.de.easynet.net/ipv6-minimum-peering.txt % % K has a RIPE delegation too, but that has not been seen (yet :) % But I heared good stories about work being done on that. % % Greets, % Jeroen % % -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- % Version: Unfix PGP for Outlook Alpha 13 Int. % Comment: Jeroen Massar / jeroen@unfix.org / http://unfix.org/~jeroen/ % % iQA/AwUBP4fgXimqKFIzPnwjEQJl1ACcD2aK8TGQU/YD04sZsFuMQoMSex8AoLcH % 7aO9jplhb76T11d5hALTf6BD % =gyub % -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- % [End of raw data] -- --bill Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the time you read them, and certainly don't reflect those of any other entity (legal or otherwise).
On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 10:30, Bill Manning wrote:
bing! the 3ffe:: entries are for experimental services -only- while the 2001:: will eventually be production services. and the test are -not- primarly about connectivity.
Last time I checked on this 3ffe:: was not "tagged" as for "experimental services only". I have asked this to people working with IPv6 and haven't received any reply confirming it, only replies staying that it hasn't been decided. Is it now? Please let me know. (I will hate to do a deployment of 3ffe:: and 2001:: networks and then after some time tell the users sorry we are not routing 3ffe:: anymore since it was experimental only. I prefer telling them from the very first time.) --William -- William Caban <william@hpcf.upr.edu>
On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 10:30, Bill Manning wrote:
bing! the 3ffe:: entries are for experimental services -only- while the 2001:: will eventually be production services. and the test are -not- primarly about connectivity.
Last time I checked on this 3ffe:: was not "tagged" as for "experimental services only". I have asked this to people working with IPv6 and haven't received any reply confirming it, only replies staying that it hasn't been decided.
Is it now? Please let me know.
(I will hate to do a deployment of 3ffe:: and 2001:: networks and then after some time tell the users sorry we are not routing 3ffe:: anymore since it was experimental only. I prefer telling them from the very first time.)
--William -- William Caban <william@hpcf.upr.edu>
3ffe::/16 was designated for IPv6 evaluation and experimentation. In this case, -any- root service that is seen from 3ffe:0::/24 is for experimental services only. Other 3ffe:: entries may have other considerations. Your choice. Note carefully that the 6bone database is prone to corruption. The nice folks @ online.org.ua did this: Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in the 6BONE database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. The objects below are the old and new entries for these objects in the database. In case of DELETIONS, the deleted object is displayed. NOOPs are not reported. The update causing these changes came from the following host: - From-Host: jazz.viagenie.qc.ca(206.123.31.2) - Date: 20030628 - Time: 09:48:02 6BONE Registry Notification Department --- PREVIOUS OBJECT: inet6num: 3FFE::/24 netname: ROOT66 descr: pTLA for DNS root servers country: US admin-c: BM2-6BONE tech-c: BM2-6BONE remarks: This object is automatically converted from the RIPE181 registry mnt-by: MNT-ISI-LAP changed: bmanning@isi.edu 20000203 changed: auto-dbm@whois.6bone.net 20010117 source: 6BONE REPLACED BY: inet6num: 3FFE::/24 netname: ONLINE descr: IPv6 Network of online.org.ua country: UA admin-c: EAG-6BONE tech-c: EAG-6BONE notify: admin@online.org.ua mnt-by: ONLINE-MNT changed: admin@online.org.ua 20030628 source: 6BONE person: Evgeniy A Greshnikov address: Ukraine, 83077, Donetsk, Lenkoranskaya st. 12-53 phone: +38 0622 52 75 05 nic-hdl: EAG-6BONE remarks: ICQ: 105316153 url: http://www.online.org.ua mnt-by: ONLINE-MNT changed: falcon@online.org.ua 20030628 source: 6BONE
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- bmanning@karoshi.com [mailto:bmanning@karoshi.com] wrote: <SNIP>
Your choice. Note carefully that the 6bone database is prone to corruption. The nice folks @ online.org.ua did this:
inet6num: 3FFE::/24 netname: ONLINE descr: IPv6 Network of online.org.ua country: UA admin-c: EAG-6BONE tech-c: EAG-6BONE notify: admin@online.org.ua mnt-by: ONLINE-MNT changed: admin@online.org.ua 20030628 source: 6BONE
And that and many other such thing have still not been cleansed unfortunatly. If wanted it can be done, it would require modifications in the server software for sporting mnt-by and mnt-lower for convienience though. And next to that a lot of cleaning... I still volunteer for helping out there btw. Greets, Jeroen -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Unfix PGP for Outlook Alpha 13 Int. Comment: Jeroen Massar / jeroen@unfix.org / http://unfix.org/~jeroen/ iQA/AwUBP4seximqKFIzPnwjEQKCJgCfSzwFaUFhRHU4CNLhzDphuPm5vusAoJoJ bvdCczFh2bWRfJT5vlEInEb5 =ZadJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- William Caban [mailto:william@hpcf.upr.edu] wrote:
On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 10:30, Bill Manning wrote:
bing! the 3ffe:: entries are for experimental services -only- while the 2001:: will eventually be production services. and the test are -not- primarly about connectivity.
Last time I checked on this 3ffe:: was not "tagged" as for "experimental services only". I have asked this to people working with IPv6 and haven't received any reply confirming it, only replies staying that it hasn't been decided.
Is it now? Please let me know.
(I will hate to do a deployment of 3ffe:: and 2001:: networks and then after some time tell the users sorry we are not routing 3ffe:: anymore since it was experimental only. I prefer telling them from the very first time.)
6bone is "IPv6 Testing"*, so it can be production quality, but it can also break. But I think that mostly depends on the people using the space and what they are using the space for, some use it to run 'production'. Also see the following, as 6bone *will* go away per 2006/6/6 :) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-fink-6bone-phaseout-04.txt So, yes, you will have to tell the users that you are not routing 3ffe::/16 anymore. But nothing prohibits one to use RIR space as experimental btw which is why I wondered why 2 prefixes are being used by the I root. Greets, Jeroen * = http://www.6bone.net/about_6bone.html "The 6bone is an IPv6 Testbed that is an outgrowth of the IETF IPng project that created the IPv6 protocols intended to eventually replace the current Internet network layer protocols known as IPv4." "The 6bone operates under the IPv6 Testing Address Allocation (see RFC 2471)." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Unfix PGP for Outlook Alpha 13 Int. Comment: Jeroen Massar / jeroen@unfix.org / http://unfix.org/~jeroen/ iQA/AwUBP4sa2ymqKFIzPnwjEQKsLgCdEJFBZnj8Xu6YrV6bYFl5+ay7+gUAn3IW fFN5GkHoepjVqpHUhP7wi0TI =JM9f -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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