From: Jason Slagle [mailto:raistlin@tacorp.net] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:57 PM
We tell users that if they roam they need to use the mail server of the place they are roaming to.
Not without an NDA from us, you're not. Corp traffic stays on corp servers and anyone diverting it elsewhere will get a sharp phone call from our legal department. It'll be called industrial espionage. Kashpureff went to jail for something similar. Of course, we usually use PPTP.
As a matter of fact, we are in the process of setting up a set of rules to divert all port 25 bound traffic on our dialups to local mail servers.
Is this your actual place of business? I will make sure that our account reps are not allowed to use your service or POPS, whilst on the road. Also, since I'll be doing business with your competition, I'll clue their marketing departments in on this wonderful opportunity for them. Since this will also prevent your downstreams from running their own SMTP servers (which more than one of them probably are), you will probably lose them as well.
If everyone diverted all local traffic to a local mail server, the problem of open relays would go away.
Problems usually go away when the customers do... You probably should talk to your marketing and legal folks, before going quite that far.
On Thu, 24 May 2001, Roeland Meyer wrote:
From: Jason Slagle [mailto:raistlin@tacorp.net] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:57 PM
We tell users that if they roam they need to use the mail server of the place they are roaming to.
Not without an NDA from us, you're not. Corp traffic stays on corp servers and anyone diverting it elsewhere will get a sharp phone call from our legal department. It'll be called industrial espionage. Kashpureff went to jail for something similar. Of course, we usually use PPTP.
And, as a business we wouldn't divert you. This is only a solution for Resi accounts.
As a matter of fact, we are in the process of setting up a set of rules to divert all port 25 bound traffic on our dialups to local mail servers.
Is this your actual place of business? I will make sure that our account reps are not allowed to use your service or POPS, whilst on the road. Also, since I'll be doing business with your competition, I'll clue their marketing departments in on this wonderful opportunity for them. Since this will also prevent your downstreams from running their own SMTP servers (which more than one of them probably are), you will probably lose them as well.
As I said, it's for resi customers only, and only out of the dialup pools/DSL pools for them.
If everyone diverted all local traffic to a local mail server, the problem of open relays would go away.
Problems usually go away when the customers do...
You probably should talk to your marketing and legal folks, before going quite that far.
Well, AOL doesn't seem to be losing customers at a very high rate doing the same thing. All outbound port 25 traffic on AOL gets diverted to internal mail servers. This may not be fully implemented yet, but where it is it works great. Even stamps an X-Apparently-From in there with the real AOL "Screen Name". Since doing this AOL Spammers have gone to a near 0 level. Last I read, UU.Net is starting to force all their dialup resellers to use a filter or diversion on port 25 too. Except the rare telecommuter (Who in all reality should be using a business account anyways, as there is no price difference, just one is taxable and goes into a different group), I don't see there being a real reason a residential dialup account needs to use a non-local mail server, IF you trust local users to specify domains. If you don't, all bets are off. As has been said several times, there is no 1 thing that works for everyone. It takes a combination of things to work. Port 25 diverting is just one tool in the proverbial belt. -- Jason Slagle - CCNP - CCDP Network Administrator - Toledo Internet Access - Toledo Ohio - raistlin@tacorp.net - jslagle@toledolink.com - WHOIS JS10172 /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign . If dreams are like movies then memories X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail . are films about ghosts.. / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail . - Adam Duritz - Counting Crows
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 08:04:34PM -0400, Jason Slagle wrote:
And, as a business we wouldn't divert you. This is only a solution for Resi accounts.
You do realize, I assume, that if somebody thinks he's sending email directly to a certain server, and you divert it to another server, you're intercepting it under the terms of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986? That's allowed if it's necessary to provide the service, but good luck winning on that argument with the plaintiffs trotting out witnesses stating it's not necessary, just your choice.
Actually I was unaware. Maybe I need to rethink that :) Jason -- Jason Slagle - CCNP - CCDP Network Administrator - Toledo Internet Access - Toledo Ohio - raistlin@tacorp.net - jslagle@toledolink.com - WHOIS JS10172 /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign . If dreams are like movies then memories X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail . are films about ghosts.. / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail . - Adam Duritz - Counting Crows On Fri, 25 May 2001, Shawn McMahon wrote:
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 08:04:34PM -0400, Jason Slagle wrote:
And, as a business we wouldn't divert you. This is only a solution for Resi accounts.
You do realize, I assume, that if somebody thinks he's sending email directly to a certain server, and you divert it to another server, you're intercepting it under the terms of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986?
That's allowed if it's necessary to provide the service, but good luck winning on that argument with the plaintiffs trotting out witnesses stating it's not necessary, just your choice.
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