Well, AS 666 is owned by the ARMY Weapons Systems Test Center.
And they actually *do* have lots of black helicopters, too, but I digress.
- paul
Ah, kidding. Have you ever seen a live communist? For me, that stuff is all too real. Taking some vacations in North Korea would be a nice cure for infantilism. The technology we're playing with lost it virginity years ago, and it is our duty to remember than it can be an immensely powerful tool in politics and military. We're not in a sandbox anymore. --vadim
Warning! This is about a metatopic, not about North American Network Ops. If you're only here to listen to discussions of North American Network Ops you should hit D now. I mean it. Don't read this unless you aren't interested in off-topic posts. OK, but remember, you were warned. Since Merit's mailing list management consists of a guy with a hammer and tongs who works on alternate leap days, I have never been able to redirect the nanog list to a newsgroup where good things like KILL files can work. That means I have to read it in real time, as I suspect the rest of you also do. That, in turn, means I have to hit D, D, DDDDD, D, D, D, DDDDD whenever someone decides that I've just gotta know more about BGP route withdrawals, communist routers, or some other topic that has absolutely nothing to do with North American Network Operations. Listen up, all of you. The reason I don't subscribe to com-priv is that I am not interested in the general topic of commercialization and privatization of the Internet. Anything which would be appropriate for that list is just automatically not appropriate for this one -- there is no overlap in the topics whatsoever. Since Merit's mailing list software is unable to reject articles that are offensively cross posted, the only way we are going to keep this mailing list even roughly on topic is with a little tactic called SELF RESTRAINT. I expect this message to have no effect but I just had to send it anyway.
Since Merit's mailing list software is unable to reject articles that are offensively cross posted, the only way we are going to keep this mailing list even roughly on topic is with a little tactic called SELF RESTRAINT.
There's no real substitute for self-restraint but procmail can help: :0 * ^Return-Path: .*nanog { :0 * ^TOcom-priv /dev/null :0: IN.nanog } -- Shields, CrossLink.
Here is yet another plea for a nanog-digest. I can skip a whole day with one D on a digest if all the topics are about communist routers. allan
The technology we're playing with lost it virginity years ago, and it is our duty to remember than it can be an immensely powerful tool in politics and military. We're not in a sandbox anymore. Perhaps you should consider both sides of the situation. As you know, there is no serious networking infrastructure in China now. Will creating one decrease or increase the free flow of information? Censorship is not perfect, and China will not have the resources to censor all packets anywhere in the country. So does this network give them a tool to further control the people? Or a bigger headache for them to try to control? I should point out that the government already has installed satellite TV to pretty much every corner of the country. However, the receivers are all state-controlled. Would you rip this out? Is no CNN better than censored CNN? IP networking is an inherently democratic medium: everyone can speak [and usually does ;-( ]. Moving more bits implies that the number of uncensored bits increases. IMnsHO, the installation of this network will be the nail in the coffin of the Chinese government. I'm more than happy to see them drive it in. Tony p.s. I'm related to Chinese communists.
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Allan Chong -
Paul A Vixie -
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Tony Li -
Vadim Antonov