That depends on your corporate needs for power, security, remote hands, etc. The extended services found at Equinix & PAIX are very important for many networks. -ren At 08:00 AM 5/17/2002 -0400, Ralph Doncaster wrote:
What about NYIIX/6IIX? Being in Telehouse where there are no monthly fees for for cross-connects gives it a financial advantage over Equinix.
Ralph Doncaster principal, IStop.com div. of Doncaster Consulting Inc.
On Fri, 17 May 2002, ren wrote:
Hi Iljitsch,
I would not consider Sprint NAP, a place closed to new customers for several years, an important interconnect location in the US. ATM based
IXs
are not as participant rich as they were 2-3 years ago.
The fastest growing US interconnect locations are cross-connect enabled. PAIX & Equinix. Equinix-Ashburn, PAIX-Seattle, Equinix-Newark and Equinix-Dallas and others have seen participation grow with a diverse blend of traffic from cable operators, telcos and content providers.
Tier-1 means what? Look for growing sources of traffic.
Your mileage may vary, -ren
At 11:48 AM 5/17/2002 +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
A bunch of us are thinking about multihoming solutions for IPv6. For this purpose, it is useful to know a bit more about how actual networks (rather than the ones existing only as ASCII drawings) interconnect. So:
- What are the 12 - 18 most important interconnect locations in the world? MAE East, the Ameritech, Sprint and PacBell NAPs, PAIX, LINX and AMS-IX come to mind, but from where I'm sitting it's hard to judge whether others are important or marginal.
- To how many of them do typical tier-1 and tier-2 networks connect?
- Using private or public interconnects?
PAIX is a division of MFN (Metropolitan Fiber Networks) as Above.NET is as well. That means they share MFN's connectivity and peering agreements and as such are incredibly rich environments. Especially with someone like Paul Vixie running it, (PAIX that is) my take is that these are number one providers. I must admit though that I am a staunch Above.NET supporter and have been for ages having a single digit customer ID. Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "ren" <ren@internet.rockstar.org> To: "Ralph Doncaster" <ralph@istop.com> Cc: "Iljitsch van Beijnum" <iljitsch@muada.com>; <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 5:01 AM Subject: Re: Interconnects
That depends on your corporate needs for power, security, remote hands, etc. The extended services found at Equinix & PAIX are very important for many networks.
-ren
At 08:00 AM 5/17/2002 -0400, Ralph Doncaster wrote:
What about NYIIX/6IIX? Being in Telehouse where there are no monthly fees for for cross-connects gives it a financial advantage over Equinix.
Ralph Doncaster principal, IStop.com div. of Doncaster Consulting Inc.
On Fri, 17 May 2002, ren wrote:
Hi Iljitsch,
I would not consider Sprint NAP, a place closed to new customers for several years, an important interconnect location in the US. ATM
IXs
are not as participant rich as they were 2-3 years ago.
The fastest growing US interconnect locations are cross-connect enabled. PAIX & Equinix. Equinix-Ashburn, PAIX-Seattle, Equinix-Newark and Equinix-Dallas and others have seen participation grow with a
blend of traffic from cable operators, telcos and content providers.
Tier-1 means what? Look for growing sources of traffic.
Your mileage may vary, -ren
At 11:48 AM 5/17/2002 +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
A bunch of us are thinking about multihoming solutions for IPv6. For
based diverse this
purpose, it is useful to know a bit more about how actual networks (rather than the ones existing only as ASCII drawings) interconnect. So:
- What are the 12 - 18 most important interconnect locations in the world? MAE East, the Ameritech, Sprint and PacBell NAPs, PAIX, LINX and AMS-IX come to mind, but from where I'm sitting it's hard to judge whether others are important or marginal.
- To how many of them do typical tier-1 and tier-2 networks connect?
- Using private or public interconnects?
I'd like to second that as well. Paix pao1 where I had termination was very worth while. Several ipv6 peers in there as well including nokea and a few others. Just as an asside, it was well run as well as having a lot of people to peer with. On Fri, 17 May 2002, todd glassey wrote:
PAIX is a division of MFN (Metropolitan Fiber Networks) as Above.NET is as well. That means they share MFN's connectivity and peering agreements and as such are incredibly rich environments. Especially with someone like Paul Vixie running it, (PAIX that is) my take is that these are number one providers.
I must admit though that I am a staunch Above.NET supporter and have been for ages having a single digit customer ID.
Todd
----- Original Message ----- From: "ren" <ren@internet.rockstar.org> To: "Ralph Doncaster" <ralph@istop.com> Cc: "Iljitsch van Beijnum" <iljitsch@muada.com>; <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 5:01 AM Subject: Re: Interconnects
That depends on your corporate needs for power, security, remote hands, etc. The extended services found at Equinix & PAIX are very important for many networks.
-ren
At 08:00 AM 5/17/2002 -0400, Ralph Doncaster wrote:
What about NYIIX/6IIX? Being in Telehouse where there are no monthly fees for for cross-connects gives it a financial advantage over Equinix.
Ralph Doncaster principal, IStop.com div. of Doncaster Consulting Inc.
On Fri, 17 May 2002, ren wrote:
Hi Iljitsch,
I would not consider Sprint NAP, a place closed to new customers for several years, an important interconnect location in the US. ATM
IXs
are not as participant rich as they were 2-3 years ago.
The fastest growing US interconnect locations are cross-connect enabled. PAIX & Equinix. Equinix-Ashburn, PAIX-Seattle, Equinix-Newark and Equinix-Dallas and others have seen participation grow with a
blend of traffic from cable operators, telcos and content providers.
Tier-1 means what? Look for growing sources of traffic.
Your mileage may vary, -ren
At 11:48 AM 5/17/2002 +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
A bunch of us are thinking about multihoming solutions for IPv6. For
based diverse this
purpose, it is useful to know a bit more about how actual networks (rather than the ones existing only as ASCII drawings) interconnect. So:
- What are the 12 - 18 most important interconnect locations in the world? MAE East, the Ameritech, Sprint and PacBell NAPs, PAIX, LINX and AMS-IX come to mind, but from where I'm sitting it's hard to judge whether others are important or marginal.
- To how many of them do typical tier-1 and tier-2 networks connect?
- Using private or public interconnects?
On Fri, 17 May 2002, todd glassey wrote:
PAIX is a division of MFN (Metropolitan Fiber Networks) as Above.NET is as well. That means they share MFN's connectivity and peering agreements and as such are incredibly rich environments. Especially with someone like Paul Vixie running it, (PAIX that is) my take is that these are number one providers.
I must admit though that I am a staunch Above.NET supporter and have been for ages having a single digit customer ID.
Todd
"Incredibly rich environments" indeed: -- Metromedia Fiber misses interest payment By BARBARA WOLLER THE JOURNAL NEWS (Original publication: May 17, 2002) WHITE PLAINS - Metromedia Fiber Network - which has been struggling for months to avoid a filing for bankruptcy court protection - reported Wednesday night that it did not pay about $32 million in interest that was due that day on $650 million of 10 percent senior notes. The White Plains-based company, which has built fiber-optic broadband communications systems within cities, said it will be in default on the loan if it does not make the payment before a 30-day grace period expires. The company also announced that it is delaying the filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission of its quarterly report for the period ended March 31. Metromedia Fiber had previously announced that it had delayed filing with the SEC of its annual report for the year ending Dec. 31, 2001. "We're attempting to restructure the debt," said company spokeswoman Kara Carbone. "We're still working on all alternatives. But if we don't, we may have to seek protection under Chapter 11." Industry analyst Victor Valdivia of Hudson River Analytics said yesterday that he expects the company will ultimately file for Chapter 11 protection under the U.S. Bankruptcy Code. "We don't think there's a lot of upside at this point," Valdivia said. In March, the company defaulted on an $8.1 million interest payment due to Nortel Networks on a $231 million loan. In mid-April the company defaulted on a $30 million interest payment on a loan of $975 million from Verizon Communications. Metromedia Fiber was able to stave off Chapter 11 in October when it secured a $611 financial package in an environment where lenders have not been willing to provide money to telecom companies. But the company's troubles did not go away. The industry has seen a meltdown in the weak economy, and Metromedia Fiber has suffered because many of its customers cannot pay their bills.
Is it necessary for you to continually air personal grievances on this public list? The question related to places where network interconnect, not who's friends with who this week. Flames welcome in private!! Steve On Fri, 17 May 2002, Mitch Halmu wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2002, todd glassey wrote:
PAIX is a division of MFN (Metropolitan Fiber Networks) as Above.NET is as well. That means they share MFN's connectivity and peering agreements and as such are incredibly rich environments. Especially with someone like Paul Vixie running it, (PAIX that is) my take is that these are number one providers.
I must admit though that I am a staunch Above.NET supporter and have been for ages having a single digit customer ID.
Todd
"Incredibly rich environments" indeed:
--
Metromedia Fiber misses interest payment
By BARBARA WOLLER THE JOURNAL NEWS (Original publication: May 17, 2002)
WHITE PLAINS - Metromedia Fiber Network - which has been struggling for months to avoid a filing for bankruptcy court protection - reported Wednesday night that it did not pay about $32 million in interest that was due that day on $650 million of 10 percent senior notes.
The White Plains-based company, which has built fiber-optic broadband communications systems within cities, said it will be in default on the loan if it does not make the payment before a 30-day grace period expires.
The company also announced that it is delaying the filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission of its quarterly report for the period ended March 31. Metromedia Fiber had previously announced that it had delayed filing with the SEC of its annual report for the year ending Dec. 31, 2001.
"We're attempting to restructure the debt," said company spokeswoman Kara Carbone. "We're still working on all alternatives. But if we don't, we may have to seek protection under Chapter 11."
Industry analyst Victor Valdivia of Hudson River Analytics said yesterday that he expects the company will ultimately file for Chapter 11 protection under the U.S. Bankruptcy Code.
"We don't think there's a lot of upside at this point," Valdivia said.
In March, the company defaulted on an $8.1 million interest payment due to Nortel Networks on a $231 million loan. In mid-April the company defaulted on a $30 million interest payment on a loan of $975 million from Verizon Communications.
Metromedia Fiber was able to stave off Chapter 11 in October when it secured a $611 financial package in an environment where lenders have not been willing to provide money to telecom companies. But the company's troubles did not go away.
The industry has seen a meltdown in the weak economy, and Metromedia Fiber has suffered because many of its customers cannot pay their bills.
On Fri, 17 May 2002 18:46:15 BST, "Stephen J. Wilcox" said:
The question related to places where network interconnect, not who's friends with who this week.
(Note - I'm assuming here the news story is factual. If not, that's a whole different spin on things...) Well... missing a $32M payment *does* say something about whether they will or will not be around to interconnect with. Although Mitch has a reputation around here, he *is* on the mark this time - when the "time to Chapter 11" may be less than "time to deliver circuits to get to there", you may want to investigate ordering circuits to connect elsewhere.... -- Valdis Kletnieks Computer Systems Senior Engineer Virginia Tech
As I think someone implied earlier, I think filing a Chapter 11 is becoming quite trendy and everyone will want one soon so as not to be left out .. status symbol if you like :) On Fri, 17 May 2002 Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2002 18:46:15 BST, "Stephen J. Wilcox" said:
The question related to places where network interconnect, not who's friends with who this week.
(Note - I'm assuming here the news story is factual. If not, that's a whole different spin on things...)
Well... missing a $32M payment *does* say something about whether they will or will not be around to interconnect with. Although Mitch has a reputation around here, he *is* on the mark this time - when the "time to Chapter 11" may be less than "time to deliver circuits to get to there", you may want to investigate ordering circuits to connect elsewhere....
On Fri, 17 May 2002 Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2002 18:46:15 BST, "Stephen J. Wilcox" said:
The question related to places where network interconnect, not who's friends with who this week.
(Note - I'm assuming here the news story is factual. If not, that's a whole different spin on things...)
Last two official MFNXE press releases confirm the article is factual: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020515/new049_1.html http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020423/nytu220_1.html
Well... missing a $32M payment *does* say something about whether they will or will not be around to interconnect with. Although Mitch has a reputation around here, he *is* on the mark this time - when the "time to Chapter 11" may be less than "time to deliver circuits to get to there", you may want to investigate ordering circuits to connect elsewhere....
Exactly my point. What do friends-or-not have to do with business, Wilcox? --Mitch NetSide
I don't think a story detailing a companies fiscal standing and near future liklihood of a Chapter 11 filing would be characterized as a 'personal grievance.' Not until that company pulls the plug on its customers, facilities and network and leaves a lot of companies out to dry. In any case, I think it's only fair that people are afforded the opportunity to make an informed decision about who they do business with, whether that information is technical or financial in nature would appear to be irrelevant. That is one of the main purposes of this and other similar lists. If anything, I think it is you who is fending your 'personal' opinion of a company, rather than providing a sound argument in their defence. steve@opaltelecom.co.uk wrote:
Is it necessary for you to continually air personal grievances on this public list?
The question related to places where network interconnect, not who's friends with who this week.
Flames welcome in private!!
Steve
On Fri, 17 May 2002, Mitch Halmu wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2002, todd glassey wrote:
PAIX is a division of MFN (Metropolitan Fiber Networks) as Above.NET is as well. That means they share MFN's connectivity and peering agreements and as such are incredibly rich environments. Especially with someone like Paul Vixie running it, (PAIX that is) my take is that these are number one providers.
I must admit though that I am a staunch Above.NET supporter and have been for ages having a single digit customer ID.
Todd
"Incredibly rich environments" indeed:
--
Metromedia Fiber misses interest payment
By BARBARA WOLLER THE JOURNAL NEWS (Original publication: May 17, 2002)
WHITE PLAINS - Metromedia Fiber Network - which has been struggling for months to avoid a filing for bankruptcy court protection - reported Wednesday night that it did not pay about $32 million in interest that was due that day on $650 million of 10 percent senior notes.
The White Plains-based company, which has built fiber-optic broadband communications systems within cities, said it will be in default on the loan if it does not make the payment before a 30-day grace period expires.
The company also announced that it is delaying the filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission of its quarterly report for the period ended March 31. Metromedia Fiber had previously announced that it had delayed filing with the SEC of its annual report for the year ending Dec. 31, 2001.
"We're attempting to restructure the debt," said company spokeswoman Kara Carbone. "We're still working on all alternatives. But if we don't, we may have to seek protection under Chapter 11."
Industry analyst Victor Valdivia of Hudson River Analytics said yesterday that he expects the company will ultimately file for Chapter 11 protection under the U.S. Bankruptcy Code.
"We don't think there's a lot of upside at this point," Valdivia said.
In March, the company defaulted on an $8.1 million interest payment due to Nortel Networks on a $231 million loan. In mid-April the company defaulted on a $30 million interest payment on a loan of $975 million from Verizon Communications.
Metromedia Fiber was able to stave off Chapter 11 in October when it secured a $611 financial package in an environment where lenders have not been willing to provide money to telecom companies. But the company's troubles did not go away.
The industry has seen a meltdown in the weak economy, and Metromedia Fiber has suffered because many of its customers cannot pay their bills.
I know what happens when an ISP dies, what happens when a registrar dies? T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony D Cennami" <acennami@netscape.net> To: <steve@opaltelecom.co.uk> Cc: "Mitch Halmu" <mitch@netside.net>; "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>; "Ralph Doncaster" <ralph@istop.com>; "ren" <ren@internet.rockstar.org>; "Iljitsch van Beijnum" <iljitsch@muada.com>; <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 11:09 AM Subject: Re: Interconnects
I don't think a story detailing a companies fiscal standing and near future liklihood of a Chapter 11 filing would be characterized as a 'personal grievance.' Not until that company pulls the plug on its customers, facilities and network and leaves a lot of companies out to
dry.
In any case, I think it's only fair that people are afforded the opportunity to make an informed decision about who they do business with, whether that information is technical or financial in nature would appear to be irrelevant.
That is one of the main purposes of this and other similar lists. If anything, I think it is you who is fending your 'personal' opinion of a company, rather than providing a sound argument in their defence.
steve@opaltelecom.co.uk wrote:
Is it necessary for you to continually air personal grievances on this public list?
The question related to places where network interconnect, not who's friends with who this week.
Flames welcome in private!!
Steve
On Fri, 17 May 2002, Mitch Halmu wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2002, todd glassey wrote:
PAIX is a division of MFN (Metropolitan Fiber Networks) as Above.NET is
well. That means they share MFN's connectivity and peering agreements and as such are incredibly rich environments. Especially with someone like Paul Vixie running it, (PAIX that is) my take is that these are number one providers.
I must admit though that I am a staunch Above.NET supporter and have been for ages having a single digit customer ID.
Todd
"Incredibly rich environments" indeed:
--
Metromedia Fiber misses interest payment
By BARBARA WOLLER THE JOURNAL NEWS (Original publication: May 17, 2002)
WHITE PLAINS - Metromedia Fiber Network - which has been struggling for months to avoid a filing for bankruptcy court protection - reported Wednesday night that it did not pay about $32 million in interest that was due that day on $650 million of 10 percent senior notes.
The White Plains-based company, which has built fiber-optic broadband communications systems within cities, said it will be in default on the loan if it does not make the payment before a 30-day grace period expires.
The company also announced that it is delaying the filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission of its quarterly report for the
ended March 31. Metromedia Fiber had previously announced that it had delayed filing with the SEC of its annual report for the year ending Dec. 31, 2001.
"We're attempting to restructure the debt," said company spokeswoman Kara Carbone. "We're still working on all alternatives. But if we don't, we may have to seek protection under Chapter 11."
Industry analyst Victor Valdivia of Hudson River Analytics said yesterday that he expects the company will ultimately file for Chapter 11
as period protection
under the U.S. Bankruptcy Code.
"We don't think there's a lot of upside at this point," Valdivia said.
In March, the company defaulted on an $8.1 million interest payment due to Nortel Networks on a $231 million loan. In mid-April the company defaulted on a $30 million interest payment on a loan of $975 million from Verizon Communications.
Metromedia Fiber was able to stave off Chapter 11 in October when it secured a $611 financial package in an environment where lenders have not been willing to provide money to telecom companies. But the company's troubles did not go away.
The industry has seen a meltdown in the weak economy, and Metromedia Fiber has suffered because many of its customers cannot pay their bills.
On Fri, 17 May 2002, todd glassey wrote:
I know what happens when an ISP dies, what happens when a registrar dies?
T.
I am pretty certain that the names revert to whatever entity is contracted to maintain the database for that TLD. Though most likely if a registrar were to die, another registrar would try to buy them out -- assuming it met with ICANN approval. allan -- Allan Liska allan@allan.org http://www.allan.org
On Fri, 17 May 2002, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:
Is it necessary for you to continually air personal grievances on this public list?
Apparently. I'd tell Mitch personally that I'm tired of the crap he pulls on this mailing list, but he refuses mail from me, probably because I've indicated same to him personally in the past. -- Steve Sobol, CTO (Server Guru, Network Janitor and Head Geek) JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH 888.480.4NET http://JustThe.net "In a 32-bit world, you're a 2-bit user/You've got your own newsgroup: alt.total.loser" - "Weird Al" Yankovic, "It's All About the Pentiums"
MH> Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:39:13 -0400 (EDT) MH> From: Mitch Halmu MH> "Incredibly rich environments" indeed: <sarcasm> Well, I guess that financial status says everything about their technical ability, doesn't it? </sarcasm> -- Eddy Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - EverQuick Internet Division Phone: +1 (316) 794-8922 Wichita/(Inter)national Phone: +1 (785) 865-5885 Lawrence ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:23:58 +0000 (GMT) From: A Trap <blacklist@brics.com> To: blacklist@brics.com Subject: Please ignore this portion of my mail signature. These last few lines are a trap for address-harvesting spambots. Do NOT send mail to <blacklist@brics.com>, or you are likely to be blocked.
Yes, it does. A company who cannot pay their engineers or hire new ones will certainly wind up performing poorly compared to one with adequate resources. As an on-going customer having to deal with their support engineers, or better yet, lack thereof, I can attest to this. Valiant attempt at sarcasm is duly noted though. Anthony eddy+public+spam@noc.everquick.net wrote:
MH> Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:39:13 -0400 (EDT) MH> From: Mitch Halmu
MH> "Incredibly rich environments" indeed:
<sarcasm>
Well, I guess that financial status says everything about their technical ability, doesn't it?
</sarcasm>
-- Eddy
Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - EverQuick Internet Division Phone: +1 (316) 794-8922 Wichita/(Inter)national Phone: +1 (785) 865-5885 Lawrence
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On Fri, 17 May 2002, E.B. Dreger wrote:
MH> Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:39:13 -0400 (EDT) MH> From: Mitch Halmu
MH> "Incredibly rich environments" indeed:
<sarcasm>
Well, I guess that financial status says everything about their technical ability, doesn't it?
</sarcasm>
/me reminds Eddy that once upon a time, there was a technically able giant named @Home, and then there was a financial status problem, and then there was chaos... --Mitch NetSide
Mitch what has MFN's financial problems have to do with the quality of the agreements that are in place for peering. If you are worried that they may blow off the face of the earth - I too agree that money is tight and there are a number of other meltdowns coming as the real winners of the Internet race start to emerge. Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitch Halmu" <mitch@netside.net> To: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net> Cc: "Ralph Doncaster" <ralph@istop.com>; "ren" <ren@internet.rockstar.org>; "Iljitsch van Beijnum" <iljitsch@muada.com>; <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 10:39 AM Subject: Re: Interconnects
On Fri, 17 May 2002, todd glassey wrote:
PAIX is a division of MFN (Metropolitan Fiber Networks) as Above.NET is
as
well. That means they share MFN's connectivity and peering agreements and as such are incredibly rich environments. Especially with someone like Paul Vixie running it, (PAIX that is) my take is that these are number one providers.
I must admit though that I am a staunch Above.NET supporter and have been for ages having a single digit customer ID.
Todd
"Incredibly rich environments" indeed:
--
Metromedia Fiber misses interest payment
By BARBARA WOLLER THE JOURNAL NEWS (Original publication: May 17, 2002)
WHITE PLAINS - Metromedia Fiber Network - which has been struggling for months to avoid a filing for bankruptcy court protection - reported Wednesday night that it did not pay about $32 million in interest that was due that day on $650 million of 10 percent senior notes.
The White Plains-based company, which has built fiber-optic broadband communications systems within cities, said it will be in default on the loan if it does not make the payment before a 30-day grace period expires.
The company also announced that it is delaying the filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission of its quarterly report for the period ended March 31. Metromedia Fiber had previously announced that it had delayed filing with the SEC of its annual report for the year ending Dec. 31, 2001.
"We're attempting to restructure the debt," said company spokeswoman Kara Carbone. "We're still working on all alternatives. But if we don't, we may have to seek protection under Chapter 11."
Industry analyst Victor Valdivia of Hudson River Analytics said yesterday that he expects the company will ultimately file for Chapter 11 protection under the U.S. Bankruptcy Code.
"We don't think there's a lot of upside at this point," Valdivia said.
In March, the company defaulted on an $8.1 million interest payment due to Nortel Networks on a $231 million loan. In mid-April the company defaulted on a $30 million interest payment on a loan of $975 million from Verizon Communications.
Metromedia Fiber was able to stave off Chapter 11 in October when it secured a $611 financial package in an environment where lenders have not been willing to provide money to telecom companies. But the company's troubles did not go away.
The industry has seen a meltdown in the weak economy, and Metromedia Fiber has suffered because many of its customers cannot pay their bills.
On Fri, 17 May 2002, todd glassey wrote:
Mitch what has MFN's financial problems have to do with the quality of the agreements that are in place for peering.
Easy. It fills, and then no one wants to pay to increase it. If I am not mistaken, this has happened already. -- Alex Rubenstein, AR97, K2AHR, alex@nac.net, latency, Al Reuben -- -- Net Access Corporation, 800-NET-ME-36, http://www.nac.net --
Mitch what has MFN's financial problems have to do with the quality of the agreements that are in place for peering.
Easy. It fills, and then no one wants to pay to increase it.
If I am not mistaken, this has happened already.
Actually, only the Palo Alto location was ever in this situation, and the parent at the time was Digital Equipment Corporation. MFN did "pay to increase it" when their time came. Six PAIX locations are open today and there is active peering occuring at all of them and there is room for more peers at all of them. Here's the list in case anybody was curious. site | shipto ------+------------------------------------------------------ atl1 | 56 Marrieta St, Floor 5 and 7, Atlanta GA 30303-2885 dfw1 | 1950 Stemmons Fwy, 1st Floor, Dallas TX 75207-3107 jfk1 | 76 9th Ave, #734, New York NY 19911-5201 sea1 | 2001 6th St, 12th Floor, Seattle WA 98121-2855 pao1 | 529 Bryant St, Palo Alto, CA 95301 USA iad1 | 7990 Science Applications Ct, Vienna VA 00000-0000 (6 rows) We are also providing "port only" services at several Abovenet locations, several Switch and Data locations, Dataplex (in Hungary), and e-exchange at 200 Paul St in San Francisco. With more to come. We have exchange agreements in place with SIX (active) and NYIIX (pending), with more to come. I welcome any further questions about PAIX's health or future. When we started this as a DEC business unit in ~1995 we had a 100 year business plan in mind. Looks to me like we're not quite finished, but that we've made an excellent beginning. There's much, much, much more to come. I can't answer questions about PAIX's current parent (MFN) other than to say that there was a press release a month or so back wherein PAIX was called a "nonstrategic" asset and that they intended to sell us. -- Paul Vixie <vixie@eng.paix.net> President, PAIX.Net Inc. (NASD:MFNXE)
On 17 May 2002, Paul Vixie wrote:
I welcome any further questions about PAIX's health or future. When we
Why no optional MLPA like AADS? Even though AADS is overpriced, I considered it just because of the long list of companies that are signed up on the MLPA. -Ralph
On Fri, 17 May 2002, todd glassey wrote:
Mitch what has MFN's financial problems have to do with the quality of the agreements that are in place for peering. If you are worried that they may blow off the face of the earth - I too agree that money is tight and there are a number of other meltdowns coming as the real winners of the Internet race start to emerge.
There may be serious concerns related to future agreements and payments, as major investors and clients pull out and write off their losses: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020406/nysa012_1.html Ultimately, it is up to the company to officially announce, confirm or dismiss such speculations, but they can't stop peers, clients and investors from worrying if they will be able to continue as a going concern. Keep in mind that company officials may be reluctant to offer you a true "inside" picture of the events, so you have to draw your own inferences from sparse press articles. Keeping informed in all aspects will spare you some costly mistakes down the road. If it's not one thing, it's another... --Mitch NetSide
PAIX shares MFN/Abovenet's peering agreements? That's quite a trick. While Above does peer at PAIX, as do many other folks, the amount of peering that Above has there does not speak to the quality of the exchange point, nor does it add value in any real way. There is MFN fiber in there, but that goes without saying. This is not to slam PAIX or Paul Vixie - I'm a big PAIX fan, and Paul has done a superb job. However, MFN adds no value, and only hurts PAIX's credibility with it's massive financial problem. PAIX without MFN will, once again, be a great thing. Hopefully this will be soon. - Daniel Golding
todd glassey Says...
PAIX is a division of MFN (Metropolitan Fiber Networks) as Above.NET is as well. That means they share MFN's connectivity and peering agreements and as such are incredibly rich environments. Especially with someone like Paul Vixie running it, (PAIX that is) my take is that these are number one providers.
I must admit though that I am a staunch Above.NET supporter and have been for ages having a single digit customer ID.
Todd
----- Original Message ----- From: "ren" <ren@internet.rockstar.org> To: "Ralph Doncaster" <ralph@istop.com> Cc: "Iljitsch van Beijnum" <iljitsch@muada.com>; <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 5:01 AM Subject: Re: Interconnects
That depends on your corporate needs for power, security, remote hands, etc. The extended services found at Equinix & PAIX are very
many networks.
-ren
At 08:00 AM 5/17/2002 -0400, Ralph Doncaster wrote:
What about NYIIX/6IIX? Being in Telehouse where there are no monthly fees for for cross-connects gives it a financial advantage over Equinix.
Ralph Doncaster principal, IStop.com div. of Doncaster Consulting Inc.
On Fri, 17 May 2002, ren wrote:
Hi Iljitsch,
I would not consider Sprint NAP, a place closed to new customers for several years, an important interconnect location in the US. ATM
IXs
are not as participant rich as they were 2-3 years ago.
The fastest growing US interconnect locations are cross-connect enabled. PAIX & Equinix. Equinix-Ashburn, PAIX-Seattle, Equinix-Newark and Equinix-Dallas and others have seen participation grow with a
blend of traffic from cable operators, telcos and content providers.
Tier-1 means what? Look for growing sources of traffic.
Your mileage may vary, -ren
At 11:48 AM 5/17/2002 +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
A bunch of us are thinking about multihoming solutions for IPv6. For
important for based diverse this
purpose, it is useful to know a bit more about how actual networks (rather than the ones existing only as ASCII drawings) interconnect. So:
- What are the 12 - 18 most important interconnect locations in the world? MAE East, the Ameritech, Sprint and PacBell NAPs, PAIX, LINX and AMS-IX come to mind, but from where I'm sitting it's hard to judge whether others are important or marginal.
- To how many of them do typical tier-1 and tier-2 networks connect?
- Using private or public interconnects?
dgolding@sockeye.com ("Daniel Golding") writes:
PAIX shares MFN/Abovenet's peering agreements? That's quite a trick. ...
No. PAIX has no peering agreements of any kind.
This is not to slam PAIX or Paul Vixie - I'm a big PAIX fan, and Paul has done a superb job. However, MFN adds no value, and only hurts PAIX's credibility with it's massive financial problem. PAIX without MFN will, once again, be a great thing. Hopefully this will be soon.
To the best of my knowledge, our parent company's woes have not been noticed by PAIX's customers (unless such a customer has its own separate relationship to the parent company, which PAIX would have no knowledge of.) And, thanks for your kind words. -- Paul Vixie <vixie@eng.paix.net> President, PAIX.Net Inc.
On Fri, 17 May 2002, ren wrote:
That depends on your corporate needs for power, security, remote hands, etc. The extended services found at Equinix & PAIX are very important for many networks.
Of which Telehouse seems to better than all the others, on all fronts. -- Alex Rubenstein, AR97, K2AHR, alex@nac.net, latency, Al Reuben -- -- Net Access Corporation, 800-NET-ME-36, http://www.nac.net --
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