On Monday, February 17, 1997 9:51 AM, Todd Graham Lewis[SMTP:lists@reflections.mindspring.com] wrote: @ Jim, I really have to ask. @ @ Doesn't acknowledging them as TRUE root name servers serve as little more @ than fodder for The Man's giant propoganda machine? By referring to them @ as TRUE nameservers, aren't you just lending those bastards at the IANA et @ al. more credibility? After all, a noted net.koo^H^H^Hpersonality such as @ yourself must be careful which labels he gives institutions on the @ network. Others are surely likely to modify their estimation thereof in @ light of your opinions, are they not? I know I sure have been. @ @ __ @ Todd Graham Lewis Mindspring Enterprises tlewis@mindspring.com @ @ @ The people on the NANOG list seem to have missed much of the action for the past few months. I am not sure that can be quickly solved. TRUE Root Name Servers are Root Name Servers that do not also do double-duty as TLD Name Servers. The AlterNIC, Root 64, Root 128 and other movements pioneered the notion of TRUE Root Name Servers. The IANA and Network Solutions, Inc. are trying to play catch up. The U.S. Government via their NSF/InterNIC has been actively blocking the development of competing TLD registries by preventing companies from having entries in the Root Name Servers they operate. There is now a process in place to make sure this changes. I am sure you are going to see a lot of press about it starting tomorrow. (Today is a government holiday) As shown here on the NANOG list, people falll in line behind the U.S. Government and do what they tell them to do. Some people at the NSF would like people to think they are not involved. That is clearly not the case, Dr. George Strawn of the NSF is chair of the FNC and he was also a member of the IAHC. For companies that need to clearly show that the U.S. Government is standing in the way of progress, it is important to establish that an important group like NANOG follows the orders of the U.S. Government via the NSF/InterNIC. That was recently confirmed. If you like, you can probably do a survey. There is a little more than one year left on the InterNIC contracts with AT&T and Network Solutions, Inc. There is a lot of work to be done. Clearly, the next steps are to get IN-ADDR.ARPA in order. It is currently a mess. That would be a good challenge for NANOG to address. -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation e-mail: JimFleming@unety.net JimFleming@unety.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)
In <01BC1CE4.1C6C1DA0@webster.unety.net>, Jim Fleming <JimFleming@unety.net> wrote:
The U.S. Government via their NSF/InterNIC has been actively blocking the development of competing TLD registries by preventing companies from having entries in the Root Name Servers they operate.
Indeed, the US Government has been actively conspiring with Paul Vixie, the IAHC, the U.N., the World Bank, and the Freemasons to quash the AlterNuts, the ROOT{64,128}, and everyone else you'd care to include in that group. Rumor has it a fleet of black helicopters is enroute to Toronto to silence Eugene Kashpuref (and to drop Bob Allisat in the nearest river). For verification of all of this, see the seekrit encrypted instructions on the back of the nearest Federal highway sign. (Fnord.) -- Michael Handler <handler@sub-rosa.com> Washington, D.C.
Code-Z authenticate. Code-Z authenticate! Michael, you have failed to authenticate in the proper manner. You have leeekd sekrit senstiv blaq haqr no-how to the lamerz. You will be terminated. The helicopters have been instructed to remove you and the rest of them. Ehud, speaking for the cabal. (That's the One TRUE Cabal-64 btw)
In <01BC1CE4.1C6C1DA0@webster.unety.net>, Jim Fleming <JimFleming@unety.net> wrote:
The U.S. Government via their NSF/InterNIC has been actively blocking the development of competing TLD registries by preventing companies from having entries in the Root Name Servers they operate.
Indeed, the US Government has been actively conspiring with Paul Vixie, the IAHC, the U.N., the World Bank, and the Freemasons to quash the AlterNuts, the ROOT{64,128}, and everyone else you'd care to include in that group. Rumor has it a fleet of black helicopters is enroute to Toronto to silence Eugene Kashpuref (and to drop Bob Allisat in the nearest river). For verification of all of this, see the seekrit encrypted instructions on the back of the nearest Federal highway sign.
(Fnord.)
-- Michael Handler <handler@sub-rosa.com> Washington, D.C.
On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Ehud Gavron wrote:
Ehud, speaking for the cabal. (That's the One TRUE Cabal-64 btw)
There is no cabal(tm). Christopher E. Stefan flatline@ironhorse.com http://www.ironhorse.com/~flatline finger for PGP key System Administrator Phone: (206) 783-6636 Ironhorse Software, Inc. FAX: (206) 783-4591
This slipped through my procmail filter. I've fixed the filter, but I also choose to waste my time answering it. Note that I have set the reply-to to the newdom@vrx.net list.
The people on the NANOG list seem to have missed much of the action for the past few months. I am not sure that can be quickly solved.
The people on the NANOG list have more important things to worry about.
TRUE Root Name Servers are Root Name Servers that do not also do double-duty as TLD Name Servers. The AlterNIC, Root 64, Root 128 and other movements pioneered the notion of TRUE Root Name Servers. The IANA and Network Solutions, Inc. are trying to play catch up.
I beg to differ. Two years before you knew what DNS stood for, I met with representatives of the IANA and of Network Solutions and described the problem. We have worked diligently from then 'til now to bring about some "."-only name servers, and it has required code changes in BIND to make it work without sending misshapen responses. I guess, Jim, that you just aren't in the loop. (I can't imagine why not.) I can't go on. The rest of the message I quoted above is just too bizarre.
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