On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:09 AM, James Jones wrote:

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:43 AM, lorddoskias <lorddoskias@gmail.com> wrote:

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On 11/22/2011 3:38 PM, Deric Kwok wrote:

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Hi

Can I know any selection of Linux routers except cisco / juniper?

They are reliable and have good support provided

We would like to get one for testing.

Thank you

http://www.vyatta.com/ might be worth checking.

If you are not afraid of the command line check xorp it is what vyatta is based on.

Vyatta uses Quagga for the protocol stack. We switched away from XORP a few years ago. Cheers, Robert.

Has anybody had experience of mikrotik support? Is it any good? Any thoughts about the time to fix bugs? -- Leigh On 22 Nov 2011, at 15:57, "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappydsl.net> wrote:

mikrotik family .. you can have all sizes and shapes of routers .. lots of support available online or from independent consultants.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet& Telecom

On 11/22/2011 10:38 AM, Deric Kwok wrote:

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Hi

Can I know any selection of Linux routers except cisco / juniper?

They are reliable and have good support provided

We would like to get one for testing.

Thank you

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I have used quite a few of their devices and have been impressed. The bang for your buck is unlike anything else. I sometimes wonder why I bother buying other kit, apart from the larger boxes. Maybe I'll find a bug and test them out ;-) -- Leigh On 22 Nov 2011, at 16:04, "Meftah Tayeb" <tayeb.meftah@gmail.com> wrote:

Leigh, MT is very responcive wonderfull fast bug fixs and very organised RouterOs releases i use it a lot and have a hell load of features support all major routing protocols BGP, OSPF / OSPFv3, RIP/RIPNG, PIM for multicast, MME for wireless and much more. thank you

----- Original Message ----- From: "Leigh Porter" <leigh.porter@ukbroadband.com> To: <Faisal@snappydsl.net> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Any recommended router. They are reliable and have good support.

Has anybody had experience of mikrotik support? Is it any good? Any thoughts about the time to fix bugs?

-- Leigh

On 22 Nov 2011, at 15:57, "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappydsl.net> wrote:

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mikrotik family .. you can have all sizes and shapes of routers .. lots of support available online or from independent consultants.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet& Telecom

On 11/22/2011 10:38 AM, Deric Kwok wrote:

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Hi

Can I know any selection of Linux routers except cisco / juniper?

They are reliable and have good support provided

We would like to get one for testing.

Thank you

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One missing feature in MikroTik is IS-IS. -- Eduardo Schoedler

-----Mensagem original----- De: Eduardo Schoedler [mailto:listas@esds.com.br] Enviada em: terça-feira, 22 de novembro de 2011 15:04 Para: 'Meftah Tayeb'; 'Leigh Porter'; Faisal@snappydsl.net Cc: 'nanog list' Assunto: RES: Any recommended router. They are reliable and have good support.

One important feature for me is MPLS/VPLS support.

+1 MikroTik

-- Eduardo Schoedler

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-----Mensagem original----- De: Meftah Tayeb [mailto:tayeb.meftah@gmail.com] Enviada em: segunda-feira, 21 de novembro de 2011 12:26 Para: Leigh Porter; Faisal@snappydsl.net Cc: nanog list Assunto: Re: Any recommended router. They are reliable and have good support.

Leigh, MT is very responcive wonderfull fast bug fixs and very organised RouterOs releases i use it a lot and have a hell load of features support all major routing protocols BGP, OSPF / OSPFv3, RIP/RIPNG, PIM for multicast, MME for wireless and much more. thank you

----- Original Message ----- From: "Leigh Porter" <leigh.porter@ukbroadband.com> To: <Faisal@snappydsl.net> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Any recommended router. They are reliable and have good support.

Has anybody had experience of mikrotik support? Is it any good? Any thoughts about the time to fix bugs?

-- Leigh

On 22 Nov 2011, at 15:57, "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappydsl.net> wrote:

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mikrotik family .. you can have all sizes and shapes of routers .. lots of support available online or from independent consultants.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet& Telecom

On 11/22/2011 10:38 AM, Deric Kwok wrote:

...

Hi

Can I know any selection of Linux routers except cisco / juniper?

They are reliable and have good support provided

We would like to get one for testing.

Thank you

Having worked with approx 10-15 units of RouterBoards, I cannot say that I have see this issue. Could it be some sort of a software bug ? we typically update the mikrotik OS and Firmware before we deploy. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet& Telecom On 11/22/2011 1:58 PM, Thomas York wrote:

I've had one major, glaring issue with RouterBoard/Mikrotik. Quite often, I will configure a new router/AP/whatever Mikrotik device and it simply will not work. The config is correct, but the device just won't work properly (sometimes it won't pass data, it won't bridge correctly, VLAN membership isn't correct, etc). However, if I reset the device to factory settings (Which takes forever because you have to find the little metal half circles and use a flat-head screwdriver to bridge them) and redo the EXACT same config everything will magically work.

This annoyance hasn't been enough to make me switch to another brand yet, but I know every time I have to deploy a new device I'm likely to wrestle this issue.

--Thomas York

-----Original Message----- From: Eduardo Schoedler [mailto:listas@esds.com.br] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 1:00 PM To: 'Meftah Tayeb'; 'Leigh Porter'; Faisal@snappydsl.net Cc: 'nanog list' Subject: RES: Any recommended router. They are reliable and have good support.

One missing feature in MikroTik is IS-IS.

-- Eduardo Schoedler

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-----Mensagem original----- De: Eduardo Schoedler [mailto:listas@esds.com.br] Enviada em: terça-feira, 22 de novembro de 2011 15:04 Para: 'Meftah Tayeb'; 'Leigh Porter'; Faisal@snappydsl.net Cc: 'nanog list' Assunto: RES: Any recommended router. They are reliable and have good support.

One important feature for me is MPLS/VPLS support.

+1 MikroTik

-- Eduardo Schoedler

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-----Mensagem original----- De: Meftah Tayeb [mailto:tayeb.meftah@gmail.com] Enviada em: segunda-feira, 21 de novembro de 2011 12:26 Para: Leigh Porter; Faisal@snappydsl.net Cc: nanog list Assunto: Re: Any recommended router. They are reliable and have good support.

Leigh, MT is very responcive wonderfull fast bug fixs and very organised RouterOs releases i use it a lot and have a hell load of features support all major routing protocols BGP, OSPF / OSPFv3, RIP/RIPNG, PIM for multicast, MME for wireless and much more. thank you

----- Original Message ----- From: "Leigh Porter"<leigh.porter@ukbroadband.com> To:<Faisal@snappydsl.net> Cc: "nanog list"<nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Any recommended router. They are reliable and have good support.

Has anybody had experience of mikrotik support? Is it any good? Any thoughts about the time to fix bugs?

-- Leigh

On 22 Nov 2011, at 15:57, "Faisal Imtiaz"<faisal@snappydsl.net> wrote:

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mikrotik family .. you can have all sizes and shapes of routers .. lots of support available online or from independent consultants.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet& Telecom

On 11/22/2011 10:38 AM, Deric Kwok wrote:

...

Hi

Can I know any selection of Linux routers except cisco / juniper?

They are reliable and have good support provided

We would like to get one for testing.

Thank you

Leigh Porter <leigh.porter@ukbroadband.com> writes:

Has anybody had experience of mikrotik support? Is it any good? Any thoughts about the time to fix bugs?

I have dealt with Mikrotik support. They were easily comparable to [CJ]TAC. Which is to say "guy was pleasant and courteous, I could tell through the language barrier that he wasn't really interested in addressing my problems or understanding them, and eventually I got exasperated and figured out a work-around". That said, it's easy to exceed expectations when you've spent something like $70 on a router that does five ports of gigabit ethernet. Several dot releases after that little ordeal, at least one of my laundry list of problems (ssh connections blew up if you are using application layer keepalives) seems to have gotten fixed, at least in 5.8, with nary a mention in the release notes so I assume it was a matter of syncing the codebase to whatever they run for an ssh server. Still no fix for the "your CLI only partially implements Emacs key binds, please try libcli.a which is LGPL instead", which is annoying since this shortcoming is really up in your grill whenever you're logged into the router. Still can't traceroute to an IPv6 host by name, only by number. Dunno if they figured out what the "G" in "GRE" stands for yet and started allowing protocols other than IPv4 (and ethertypes other than 0x0800) in a GRE tunnel - can't be bothered to test it out since I managed to get 6in4 tunneling working instead. There are more random gripes, but you get the idea - routeros definitely shows a certain lack of polish but can get the job done for low-end stuff at a very acceptably low-end price. All in all, despite the gripes it's worth your time to check out. Don't let the folks who sing their praises get your hopes up too much but hey, for pocket change invested? Pretty decent. There are some good surprises in there too, like putative support for 32 bit ASNs (haven't tested that myself) and scriptability that will allow you to send TSIG-signed dns update messages periodically for when you have customers to support that are on the far end of a non-sticky DHCP. -r

-----Original Message----- From: Joseph Sullivan [mailto:joseph.sullivan@alyrica.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 2:31 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Any recommended router. They are reliable and have good support.

We use a lot of Mikrotik in our network. They are fantastic little routers as long as you remember that they are not Cisco/Juniper/whatever. In other words, you pay a few hundred bucks, you get something worth at least

I could look though our customer list and show over 2,000 networks being ran by RouterOS from small networks running 20-50 meg all the way up to networks running 10GigE BGP feeds. We just turned up a location running 4 BGP GigE feeds in a single router. ----------------------------------------------------------- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" that

much. But don't put it head to head against a $10k router.

Support is technically sound, but you have to email Latvia and then wait for the time difference to get a response. If you expect to pay $100 for a router and then get prompt, courteous, 24/7 tech support, you will be disappointed. :)

We use their routers mostly for end user gateways doing QOS. They do a superb job of this. I wouldn't particularly want them as network edge devices or core routers; they will choke up if the PPS rate gets too high and you are doing any kind of packet mangling.

There have been a lot of bugs in various versions of RouterOS, but the current (5.8?) OS seems pretty good. They added IPv6 support and fixed a ton of bugs.

OSPF implementation was buggy before OS5, but seems to be relatively stable since we upgraded. BGP works fine but is perhaps less feature rich than Cisco/Zebra.

Joseph

Alyrica Networks Inc / www.alyrica.net

----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert E. Seastrom" <rs@seastrom.com> To: "Leigh Porter" <leigh.porter@ukbroadband.com> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 11:52 AM Subject: Re: Any recommended router. They are reliable and have good support.

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Leigh Porter <leigh.porter@ukbroadband.com> writes:

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Has anybody had experience of mikrotik support? Is it any good? Any thoughts about the time to fix bugs?

I have dealt with Mikrotik support. They were easily comparable to [CJ]TAC. Which is to say "guy was pleasant and courteous, I could tell through the language barrier that he wasn't really interested

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addressing my problems or understanding them, and eventually I got exasperated and figured out a work-around".

That said, it's easy to exceed expectations when you've spent something like $70 on a router that does five ports of gigabit ethernet.

Several dot releases after that little ordeal, at least one of my laundry list of problems (ssh connections blew up if you are using application layer keepalives) seems to have gotten fixed, at least in 5.8, with nary a mention in the release notes so I assume it was a matter of syncing the codebase to whatever they run for an ssh server. Still no fix for the "your CLI only partially implements Emacs key binds, please try libcli.a which is LGPL instead", which is annoying since this shortcoming is really up in your grill whenever you're logged into the router. Still can't traceroute to an IPv6 host by name, only by number. Dunno if they figured out what the "G" in "GRE" stands for yet and started allowing protocols other than IPv4 (and ethertypes other than 0x0800) in a GRE tunnel - can't be bothered to test it out since I managed to get 6in4 tunneling working instead. There are more random gripes, but you get the idea - routeros definitely shows a certain lack of polish but can get the job done for low-end stuff at a very acceptably low-end price.

All in all, despite the gripes it's worth your time to check out. Don't let the folks who sing their praises get your hopes up too much but hey, for pocket change invested? Pretty decent. There are some good surprises in there too, like putative support for 32 bit ASNs (haven't tested that myself) and scriptability that will allow you to send TSIG-signed dns update messages periodically for when you have customers to support that are on the far end of a non-sticky DHCP.

-r

Le Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:59:13 -0200, "Eduardo Schoedler" <listas@esds.com.br> a écrit :

On 22/11/2011 1:39pm, Deric Kwok wrote:

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Can I know any selection of Linux routers except cisco / juniper?

I prefer Freebsd. Take a look on BSDRP (BSD Route Project). http://bsdrp.net/

The problem with this is to find good hardware for it, that is affordable, robust, and does not uses the power of a desktop pc.

-- Eduardo Schoedler