Yet appears a certain lack of transparency, no?  mh  -------- Message d'origine -------- De : "Jason L. Sparks" <jlsparks@gmail.com> Date : A : ku po <cciehelps@gmail.com> Cc : NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Objet : Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project To be fair, the reporting (initially) claimed the providers were granting the USG "access directly to their servers."  It's understandable and appropriate that the providers pushed back against that apparently erroneous reporting. Jason On Jun 8, 2013, at 22:44, ku po <cciehelps@gmail.com> wrote:

What is the point to argue whether they have the capacity to process all the data? They DON'T need to build expensive systems. They just need to make sure when they ask your company for information, these information are available for them and fast enough. So the statement that saying "we don't give them direct access" means nothing!!! The right question is IS THERE A DIRECT CHANNEL for them to ask you for information without providing all the evidence( how could they show you all the evidence when it is security related??),  which you can't deny their access.

On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 8:20 AM, James Harrison <james@talkunafraid.co.uk>wrote:

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Just wait until we find out dark and lit private fiber is getting vampired.

Why wait?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/20/politics/20submarine.html?_r=0

-Bill

In a similar vein, a new PRISM slide was released by the Guardian this morning:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-prism-server-collection-face...

Doesn't specifically say private fiber - just "fiber cables and infrastructure". May just refer to fiber to/from/within complying company infrastructure, ofc, not necessarily anything else.

They also apparently have a web 2.0 compliant dashboard with a catchy name and pop-ups with big numbers in: Boundless Informant.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-boundless-informant-global-d...

Speaking from the other side of the pond it's interesting to see where this is going. GCHQ (the UK NSA equivalent) are being asked stern questions by the government about their involvement and if they've been asking the NSA for UK citizens' data (since they're not allowed to collect it themselves).

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