On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 8:22 AM VOLKAN KIRIK <volkirik@gmail.com> wrote:

the lesson of (/for) the he.net

kolayın tuzağına düşme

do not fall into trap of the easy way.

now tier1 league of them will take like forever for never

I would suggest this is more aptly a case of the Latin phrase "caveat emptor" What Cogent or Hurricane chooses to do or not do with their respective networks is their business (quite literally). What matters is what *you* choose to do as a customer; and that is why the Latin phrase is so relevant to your situation: "Let the buyer beware." Knowing now as you do that neither network will give you a "complete" view of the Internet, when it comes time to renew contracts, it would seem to be wise for you to select a set of upstream providers that will better suit your needs. Using Cogent or HE as one of your transit providers, along with a less contentious network will help ensure you have broader coverage for what the rest of the world considers to be the 'entire' internet. Putting all of your eggs in either the Cogent or HE baskets at this stage of the game, however, is likely to lead to some amount of heartache and pain. In the immortal words of the Knight Templar guarding the chalice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubw5N8iVDHI "He chose...poorly." The reason you're not getting a great deal of sympathy or support here, no matter how many times you grumble about it, is that this is a known conflict, it's been in existence for as long as some of the people on this list have been working in the industry, and everyone else has simply shrugged their shoulders, learned to do more background research before signing a long-term contract, and moved on with their businesses. The only thing that is likely to break the stalemate at this point is voting with your money. Take your business elsewhere, until one side or the other decides getting customer revenue is more important than a silly entry on a Wikipedia page. Or, if you have the resources, become a majority shareholder in one or the the company, and force the management team to change its position on the matter. Given that only one of the two companies is publicly held, I suspect it should be clearly evident which company would be the best focus of your energy and money, should you choose to go in that direction. If nothing else, please do recognize that no amount of grumbling here on NANOG is going to have one whit of impact on the position of either company. ^_^; Best of luck! Matt