|> From: Elisabeth Porteneuve [mailto:Elisabeth.Porteneuve@cetp.ipsl.fr] |> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 1:58 AM |> The rivers of comments has been sent out about domain |> names, there is a dangereous silence about IP numbers. It is with wry amusement that I have been following the MAPs debate, on NANOG, recently. Then you make this comment, it couldn't dove-tail more beautifully. Those that do not know what MAPs is, please review http://www.mail-abuse.org/. The fundimental function is to create blacklists used for various filtering of IP blocks. While this sounds innocuous on its face, MAPS has recently announced intention of charging for their service, in order to raise money for legal fees (they are under legal attack). Until now, Paul Vixie has been the main funder of MAPs. The problem is that MAPS was distributing the lists and there were many local copies, within places like EarthLink and AOL. As long as those copies are maintained by MAPS, this is not a serious problem. They have an efficient and timely distribution mechanism. The result of an net-block being listed in MAPS is that entire chunks of the Internet cannot reach that net-block. This is done at the provider level. The effects are global in that they over-ride ARIN, RIPE, and APNIC. The problem arises when there are stale entries in the black-list. In fact, the danger has always been, the issue of stale entries. The effect, given MAPS market-share, is that a net-block can be issued, to a new business, that may be perfectly useless and neither the ISP or the business knows about it until it is too late. I might point out that a similar problem can occur with DNs, so it is not entirely an PSO issue. There are now stale entries, in abundance, because many providers are still evaluating the new cost issues. Meanwhile, they have disconnected from the distro system and aren't having their black-lists updated. Ergo, they have stale entries. What this, in effect, does is to over-ride various registry policies. Names and net-blocks that are issued may not, in fact, be issued. Names are not a serious cost issue and they can, with some logistical difficulty, be re-issued. However, net-blocks cost over $1US/month (at the ISP level), or $2500/year from ARIN (the US registry), and they are not all that plentiful. The fundimental process disconnect here is that, IMHO, the various registries should be performing the MAPS function as part of their policy enforcement mechanism. This is not written into any of the registrar/registry agreements. If anything argues for a centralised systems approach, the MAPS functionality does. IMHO, this makes it an ICANN issue. Yes, this also politicizes it somewhat. No, some NANOG denizens won't like it and that is guaranteed. -- R O E L A N D M J M E Y E R Managing Director Morgan Hill Software Company t:01 925 373 3954 c:01 925 352 3615 f:01 925 373 9781