We have customers asking to lease IP space for BGP transit with us and other peers. But they are struggling to get at a minimum even a Class C, even though they have their own ASN. We don't have large amounts of free IPv4 space to lease out to a single customer in most cases anymore. Hope to at least introduce these customers to some contacts that may be able to help. Do we know of any reputable sources that are leasing or selling IPv4 subnets as small as a /24 to satisfy their diversity needs? Thanks! Sincerely, Nick Ellermann - CTO & VP Cloud Services BroadAspect E: nellermann@broadaspect.com<mailto:nellermann@broadaspect.com> P: 703-297-4639 F: 703-996-4443 THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers.
Leasing is ill-advised; the addresses will be unsellable once the spammers are through with them. Really, there¹s no other reason to lease. If you want to buy or sell addresses in the ARIN region, some of the facilitators at https://www.arin.net/resources/transfer_listing/facilitator_list.html are pretty good (ask me; I¹ll let you know my opinions privately). The only ones I know who will deal in blocks as small as /24 are http://www.ipv4auctions.com/ There may be others I don¹t know about. Of course you have to ask whether IPv6 is a possible alternative, and you shouldn¹t go to all the troule and expense of buying addresses without turning up dual-stack. That would be like spending $20 for a tissue when you need a $10 cold medicine; it helps, but not for long. Lee On 12/17/15, 9:31 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Nick Ellermann" <nanog-bounces@nanog.org on behalf of nellermann@broadaspect.com> wrote:
We have customers asking to lease IP space for BGP transit with us and other peers. But they are struggling to get at a minimum even a Class C, even though they have their own ASN. We don't have large amounts of free IPv4 space to lease out to a single customer in most cases anymore. Hope to at least introduce these customers to some contacts that may be able to help. Do we know of any reputable sources that are leasing or selling IPv4 subnets as small as a /24 to satisfy their diversity needs? Thanks!
Sincerely, Nick Ellermann - CTO & VP Cloud Services BroadAspect
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I see it different than Lee ... because, there are no new ipv4 addresses they are all used. I have seen the same spam issue with IP space that is sold. So be careful. I have been involved in both leasing and purchasing IPv4 space. Like everything else you want to check the mileage/usage and look for dents before leasing or buying. No matter which method - verify you are getting clean addresses before spending a dime. Purchasing can be a large upfront investment - leasing is a good option for many. We all know someday the space won't be needed. It's just a matter of when. My advise if you have cash and time buy IPv4 space. If not lease and focus on spending the cash on newer gear that can handle all the /24s and IPv6 prefixes. If leasing, make sure you are dealing with a source that watches carefully and can provide you multi-year contract optioned space....so you can toss them away when IPv6 is it. Thank You Bob Evans CTO
Leasing is ill-advised; the addresses will be unsellable once the spammers are through with them. Really, there¹s no other reason to lease.
If you want to buy or sell addresses in the ARIN region, some of the facilitators at https://www.arin.net/resources/transfer_listing/facilitator_list.html are pretty good (ask me; I¹ll let you know my opinions privately).
The only ones I know who will deal in blocks as small as /24 are http://www.ipv4auctions.com/ There may be others I don¹t know about.
Of course you have to ask whether IPv6 is a possible alternative, and you shouldn¹t go to all the troule and expense of buying addresses without turning up dual-stack. That would be like spending $20 for a tissue when you need a $10 cold medicine; it helps, but not for long.
Lee
On 12/17/15, 9:31 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Nick Ellermann" <nanog-bounces@nanog.org on behalf of nellermann@broadaspect.com> wrote:
We have customers asking to lease IP space for BGP transit with us and other peers. But they are struggling to get at a minimum even a Class C, even though they have their own ASN. We don't have large amounts of free IPv4 space to lease out to a single customer in most cases anymore. Hope to at least introduce these customers to some contacts that may be able to help. Do we know of any reputable sources that are leasing or selling IPv4 subnets as small as a /24 to satisfy their diversity needs? Thanks!
Sincerely, Nick Ellermann - CTO & VP Cloud Services BroadAspect
E: nellermann@broadaspect.com<mailto:nellermann@broadaspect.com> P: 703-297-4639 F: 703-996-4443
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Although I realize it's a practical matter I find it fairly amazing that IPv4 blocks will be stigmatized as spam infected and hence worthless or nearly so. Talk about giving in to "terrorists" (I use that word metaphorically.) Something to note next time someone asks me what the actual financial impact of spamming is. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD The World | Public Access Internet | Since 1989 *oo*
On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Nick Ellermann <nellermann@broadaspect.com> wrote:
We have customers asking to lease IP space for BGP transit with us and other peers. But they are struggling to get at a minimum even a Class C, even though they have their own ASN. We don't have large amounts of free IPv4 space to lease out to a single customer in most cases anymore. Hope to at least introduce these customers to some contacts that may be able to help. Do we know of any reputable sources that are leasing or selling IPv4 subnets as small as a /24 to satisfy their diversity needs? Thanks!
I'm going to stay focused on your question. There are many methods to obtain additional IPv4 address space. o You can still use an RIR and get a last /22 in the RIPE region provided you follow their rules, and no, you do not have to be in Europe. Read carefully: https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2013-03 o You can use a marketplace where buyers and sellers live in harmony to conduct buy and sell (bid, offer) transactions. I find the folks at Addrex very knowledgeable www.addrex.net o You can use a auction site. The folks at Hilco Streambank seem to be able to keep theirs running at www.ipv4auctions.com The above are not endorsements. There are many others. Some are credible. Some are interesting. YMMV. This thread will now self-destruct. Best, -M<
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015, Nick Ellermann wrote: Hi. We lease /24's or more to customers since many years, but as someone later in the thread commented, spammers will use this opportunity if they can, so we limit our customers to Sweden nowadays, and always check their earlier reputation before leasing space. If you have Swedish customers you are welcome to send in an application. ( http://webb.resilans.se/registry/order-eng.html )
We have customers asking to lease IP space for BGP transit with us and other peers. But they are struggling to get at a minimum even a Class C, even though they have their own ASN. We don't have large amounts of free IPv4 space to lease out to a single customer in most cases anymore. Hope to at least introduce these customers to some contacts that may be able to help. Do we know of any reputable sources that are leasing or selling IPv4 subnets as small as a /24 to satisfy their diversity needs? Thanks!
Sincerely, Nick Ellermann - CTO & VP Cloud Services BroadAspect
E: nellermann@broadaspect.com<mailto:nellermann@broadaspect.com> P: 703-297-4639 F: 703-996-4443
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Is there anyone who leases to companies in the US? On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 4:59 AM, Fredrik Widell <fredrik@resilans.se> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015, Nick Ellermann wrote:
Hi.
We lease /24's or more to customers since many years, but as someone later in the thread commented, spammers will use this opportunity if they can, so we limit our customers to Sweden nowadays, and always check their earlier reputation before leasing space. If you have Swedish customers you are welcome to send in an application.
( http://webb.resilans.se/registry/order-eng.html )
We have customers asking to lease IP space for BGP transit with us and
other peers. But they are struggling to get at a minimum even a Class C, even though they have their own ASN. We don't have large amounts of free IPv4 space to lease out to a single customer in most cases anymore. Hope to at least introduce these customers to some contacts that may be able to help. Do we know of any reputable sources that are leasing or selling IPv4 subnets as small as a /24 to satisfy their diversity needs? Thanks!
Sincerely, Nick Ellermann - CTO & VP Cloud Services BroadAspect
E: nellermann@broadaspect.com<mailto:nellermann@broadaspect.com> P: 703-297-4639 F: 703-996-4443
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Mvh
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Definitely there is - don't have any names handy but there were a few companies at NANOG Montreal that chased me down re: leasing IP space (and of course selling). Paul -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Javier J Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 12:35 PM To: Fredrik Widell <fredrik@resilans.se> Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: [NANOG] IPv4 subnets for lease? Is there anyone who leases to companies in the US? On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 4:59 AM, Fredrik Widell <fredrik@resilans.se> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015, Nick Ellermann wrote:
Hi.
We lease /24's or more to customers since many years, but as someone later in the thread commented, spammers will use this opportunity if they can, so we limit our customers to Sweden nowadays, and always check their earlier reputation before leasing space. If you have Swedish customers you are welcome to send in an application.
( http://webb.resilans.se/registry/order-eng.html )
We have customers asking to lease IP space for BGP transit with us and
other peers. But they are struggling to get at a minimum even a Class C, even though they have their own ASN. We don't have large amounts of free IPv4 space to lease out to a single customer in most cases anymore. Hope to at least introduce these customers to some contacts that may be able to help. Do we know of any reputable sources that are leasing or selling IPv4 subnets as small as a /24 to satisfy their diversity needs? Thanks!
Sincerely, Nick Ellermann - CTO & VP Cloud Services BroadAspect
E: nellermann@broadaspect.com<mailto:nellermann@broadaspect.com> P: 703-297-4639 F: 703-996-4443
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Mvh
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