It's not not OT, or about politics. It's not about they are guilty or not since I Don't care. It's about that "the FBI finally cares, and will bust the script kiddies." This will scare them and will decrease the DDoS attacks from now and on. So ISPs and NSPs should work more with FBI and such parties to decrease the DDoS. Thanks, -J --- "J.A. Terranson" <measl@mfn.org> wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004, Ricardo "Rick" Gonzalez wrote:
No comments, check the url
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/27/ddos_mafia_busted/
I'm happy some of these criminals sent to jail!
You know, here in America, we have this concept called "innocent until proven guilty". What country are you from?
I note for the record that this concept is only held to be accurate when applied to politicians or their financiers. The rest of us are guilty until convicted, after which our obvious guilt was finally proven in an "impartial" court.
-- Yours,
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warning-- this isn't offtopic even though it proceeds from a thread that is. dalnetuzer@yahoo.com (John Obi) writes:
... It's about that "the FBI finally cares, and will bust the script kiddies."
This will scare them and will decrease the DDoS attacks from now and on.
that's nonsequitur. four times in the last two months, a "life flight" helicopter has landed near where i live, to pick up some motorcyclist who lost a race against oncoming traffic on this twisty mountain road, and take them to stanford hospital for emergency care. three new roadside shrines tell the stories of those who did not survive that trip. every motorcyclist who socializes up at alice's restaurant knows all this, but today i can still hear the pitched whine of wristrocket roadracers who can't tell the difference between reality and a video game. the FBI can add a thrill to the business, or even toughen up the low end of the business, but the people doing ddos-for-hire are mostly teenagers or twentysomethings who still believe, like many motorcyclists down on my local highway, that they will live forever and that bad things only happen to people less careful and less lucky than themselves. however:
So ISPs and NSPs should work more with FBI and such parties to decrease the DDoS.
this should absolutely be done, since toughening up the low end will have good long term effects -- eventually we'll make ddos-for-hire into a high end crime, and law enforcement will take it seriously enough to spend the hundreds of millions of tax dollars (or rubles or whatever) needed to hire and train and equip the gigantic staff of investigators needed to keep the internet from collapsing in on itself from the weight of all this garbage. -- Paul Vixie
vixie@vix.com (Paul Vixie) writes:
... four times in the last two months, a "life flight" helicopter has ...
oops, five times. the helicopter engine noise i was listening to while typing the above, turned out to be another red one from stanford hospital. my apologies to anyone who was confused by the above misinformation. -- Paul Vixie
On Mon, Aug 30, 2004 at 01:21:21AM -0700, John Obi wrote:
It's not not OT, or about politics.
It's not about they are guilty or not since I Don't care.
It's about that "the FBI finally cares, and will bust the script kiddies."
This will scare them and will decrease the DDoS attacks from now and on.
D/DoS is a fact of life that happens continuously non-stop. FBI intervening here probably may have certain effect in general atmosphere among the packet kiddies, but there is no solid data that says DDoS attacks have decreased.
So ISPs and NSPs should work more with FBI and such parties to decrease the DDoS.
More like, ISP and NSP's should start with things like BCP38/uRPF on their edge boxes, and start deploying features & systems that assist their customers in the event of DDoS (e.g. bgp blackhole). -J -- James Jun TowardEX Technologies, Inc. Technical Lead Network Design, Consulting, IT Outsourcing james@towardex.com Boston-based Colocation & Bandwidth Services cell: 1(978)-394-2867 web: http://www.towardex.com , noc: www.twdx.net
D/DoS is a fact of life that happens continuously non-stop. FBI intervening here probably may have certain effect in general atmosphere among the packet kiddies, but there is no solid data that says DDoS attacks have decreased.
Death and perhaps taxes are facts of life. Until about 10 years ago DDOS didn't exist. Hopefully 10 years from now it will go the way of the Betamax. -Hank
On Mon, Aug 30, 2004 at 09:44:09PM +0300, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
D/DoS is a fact of life that happens continuously non-stop. FBI intervening here probably may have certain effect in general atmosphere among the packet kiddies, but there is no solid data that says DDoS attacks have decreased.
Death and perhaps taxes are facts of life. Until about 10 years ago DDOS didn't exist. Hopefully 10 years from now it will go the way of the Betamax.
-Hank
10 years is a long time..... Here's to hoping we survive that long. --- Wayne Bouchard web@typo.org Network Dude http://www.typo.org/~web/
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