RE: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt
Me thinks that when such technologies be commercialized on the net, there will be problems. Usually, IP and such technologies are the charge of the internet community and we form committees, or use IEEE, IETF, RFCs, ARIN...etc for these and other technologies and come to open internet standards and agreements on how to improve such things. Now we have these people coming in here on their own and attempting to shove their technolgies down our pipes w/o OUR concensus! Anyone now see the problem with this? I believe this to be the key as to why this is wrong and why DI, or Akamai, should not be even allowed to 'help' the internet. Marc Quibell ICN Network Operations Center Data Operations Group noc@icn.state.ia.us 1-800-572-3940 -----Original Message----- From: Mike Batchelor [mailto:mikebat@tmcs.net] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:51 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: RE: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
in the case where the sender and receiver are communicating between one or many third parties, there is no direct relationship and thus no apriori terms of service to which the traffic must conform. for this, we reverse the model: "everything not welcomed is forbidden" and thus create a prior restraint problem which goes by the name "what, then, is implicitly welcome or unwelcome?"
And how does the owner communicate this to the sender ahead of time? I don't think you can, else there would not be a spam problem. Therefore, the only logical position the sender can take, if he is to act at all, is to assume that whatever is not actively prevented or refused, is welcome, until such time as he is notified otherwise. If it is not this way, how can ANY unsolicited communication take place? Must I ask permission to ask permission? - --- "The avalanche has already begun. It is too late for the pebbles to vote" - Kosh -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA/AwUBO9mUbEksS4VV8BvHEQJeQACfUpIpxRMDkZl/4CWpc/fUKF8wOFEAoKj2 1bhQXIg33MwAqB++ZOjlLr0r =6hu1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
They are using standard technology, Digital Island and Akamai did not invent ICMP. The methodology is new, and they have the right to use it. If you dislike the methodology, you can block it, or propose to the IETF that we change or remove ICMP. On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Quibell, Marc wrote:
Me thinks that when such technologies be commercialized on the net, there will be problems. Usually, IP and such technologies are the charge of the internet community and we form committees, or use IEEE, IETF, RFCs, ARIN...etc for these and other technologies and come to open internet standards and agreements on how to improve such things. Now we have these people coming in here on their own and attempting to shove their technolgies down our pipes w/o OUR concensus! Anyone now see the problem with this? I believe this to be the key as to why this is wrong and why DI, or Akamai, should not be even allowed to 'help' the internet.
Marc Quibell ICN Network Operations Center Data Operations Group noc@icn.state.ia.us 1-800-572-3940
-----Original Message----- From: Mike Batchelor [mailto:mikebat@tmcs.net] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:51 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: RE: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt
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in the case where the sender and receiver are communicating between one or many third parties, there is no direct relationship and thus no apriori terms of service to which the traffic must conform. for this, we reverse the model: "everything not welcomed is forbidden" and thus create a prior restraint problem which goes by the name "what, then, is implicitly welcome or unwelcome?"
And how does the owner communicate this to the sender ahead of time? I don't think you can, else there would not be a spam problem. Therefore, the only logical position the sender can take, if he is to act at all, is to assume that whatever is not actively prevented or refused, is welcome, until such time as he is notified otherwise. If it is not this way, how can ANY unsolicited communication take place? Must I ask permission to ask permission?
- --- "The avalanche has already begun. It is too late for the pebbles to vote" - Kosh
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