I wrote a response to his message, but the details are rather redundant because no reasonable people have ever beleived them. So, I will instead post Sullivan's messages to www.iadl.org. Since possibly Nanog doesn't want to hear about all SORBS complaints, they can be forwarded there for posting. I'll set up a mailing list tomorrow with instructions on the site. BTW, this should pretty conclusively refute Browns/Sullivans' lies. (not that any reasonable people ever believed them.) dig ns camb.opengroup.org ; <<>> DiG 9.2.1 <<>> ns camb.opengroup.org ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 34403 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 5, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;camb.opengroup.org. IN NS ;; ANSWER SECTION: camb.opengroup.org. 10800 IN NS ns1.camb.opengroup.org. camb.opengroup.org. 10800 IN NS ns2.camb.opengroup.org. camb.opengroup.org. 10800 IN NS xopen.xopen.co.uk. camb.opengroup.org. 10800 IN NS xopuk.xopen.co.uk. camb.opengroup.org. 10800 IN NS concorde.av8.com. What is that there: concorde.av8.com? How odd. Surely, it couldn't be that Sullivan is lying.... Of course, most people just see that OSF/The Open Group still exist, and that they have reported any space as being stolen. --Dean -- Av8 Internet Prepared to pay a premium for better service? www.av8.net faster, more reliable, better service 617 344 9000