On Thursday, May 22, 1997 7:03 AM, Bill Becker[SMTP:bbecker@iconn.net] wrote: @ @ @ On Tue, 20 May 1997, Jim Fleming wrote: @ @ > @ > Even though some people do not think they exist... @ > @ > ...Here are the various Root Name Server Confederations @ > that ISPs can choose between. ISPs should only choose @ > one Confederation. Mixing and matching servers from each @ > Confederation is not recommended. @ @ Of course. @ @ I am willing to side with you and against vixie on the root-servers thing, @ if you will cut me in on a share of the attendant power and profits @ when you finally ram edns down everyone's throat. @ @ I'm basically not smart enough or competent enough to earn big money and @ grab power on my own merits, so i'm always looking for a scheme or a @ marketing ploy that could beam me up the Ladder of Success. @ If you are looking for fame and fortune, I do not think that eDNS will deliver that. eDNS is largely a volunteer effort and I bet that any eDNS person would trade places with some of the people that you might think are not in this for the "profits" even though they run "non-profit companies". Ask those people to review their annual earnings with you sometime. I bet you do not get very far. -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation http://www.Unir.Corp Check out...http://Register.A.Mall
I've been rimshot. I'm choosing not to ignore it. You should, though. Hit D!
If you are looking for fame and fortune, I do not think that eDNS will deliver that. eDNS is largely a volunteer effort and I bet that any eDNS person would trade places with...
Interesting choice of words there.
...some of the people that you might think are not in this for the "profits" even though they run "non-profit companies".
That sounds like me.
Ask those people to review their annual earnings with you sometime. I bet you do not get very far.
Nothing I'm involved in is publically traded, but you are still entitled to look upon the nonprofit financial statements. What they'll show is that the Internet Software Consortium spends 100% of its donations on engineering, with a 0% overhead rate. What this year's finances will show is that Vixie Enterprises subsidizes Bob Halley's entire salary for BIND work since we have not received sufficient donations to pay for it other- wise. (INN and DHCP will shortly be in the same boat.) So, sure, it's nice that Vixie Enterprises, my profitable company, can afford to pay engineers to work on things that don't bring in any money. But I'm keenly aware that Rick Adams' "UUNET Communications Services" (the old UUNET nonprofit) put $700K into ISC originally and that I have a lot of catching up to do from the years when ISC paid my mortgage while I worked on BIND. The thing that's bizarre is the AlterNIC/eDNS/intersteller community's continued inability to recognize that those of us who are involved in both for-profit and non-profit businesses have perfectly legitimate reasons for doing so. By the way doesn't it seem odd to write in 50 columns?
I would ignore the inuendo Paul.... Whether or not you run a non-profit or not does not matter. It is quite obvious the prevailing attitude towards groups like yours is that you should walk 20 miles to work, wear old clothes, feed your kids from the food bank and burn old newspapers to keep warm. Sure, On Thu, 22 May 1997, Paul A Vixie wrote:
I've been rimshot. I'm choosing not to ignore it. You should, though. Hit D!
If you are looking for fame and fortune, I do not think that eDNS will deliver that. eDNS is largely a volunteer effort and I bet that any eDNS person would trade places with...
Interesting choice of words there.
...some of the people that you might think are not in this for the "profits" even though they run "non-profit companies".
That sounds like me.
Ask those people to review their annual earnings with you sometime. I bet you do not get very far.
Nothing I'm involved in is publically traded, but you are still entitled to look upon the nonprofit financial statements. What they'll show is that the Internet Software Consortium spends 100% of its donations on engineering, with a 0% overhead rate. What this year's finances will show is that Vixie Enterprises subsidizes Bob Halley's entire salary for BIND work since we have not received sufficient donations to pay for it other- wise. (INN and DHCP will shortly be in the same boat.)
So, sure, it's nice that Vixie Enterprises, my profitable company, can afford to pay engineers to work on things that don't bring in any money. But I'm keenly aware that Rick Adams' "UUNET Communications Services" (the old UUNET nonprofit) put $700K into ISC originally and that I have a lot of catching up to do from the years when ISC paid my mortgage while I worked on BIND.
The thing that's bizarre is the AlterNIC/eDNS/intersteller community's continued inability to recognize that those of us who are involved in both for-profit and non-profit businesses have perfectly legitimate reasons for doing so.
By the way doesn't it seem odd to write in 50 columns?
At 10:21 AM 5/22/97 -0700, Paul A Vixie wrote:
I've been rimshot. I'm choosing not to ignore it. You should, though. Hit D!
Can't do, Paul. I run WinDoze95 [8-))
Nothing I'm involved in is publically traded, but you are still entitled to look upon the nonprofit financial statements. What they'll show is that the Internet Software Consortium spends 100% of its donations on engineering, with a 0% overhead rate. What this year's finances will show is that Vixie Enterprises subsidizes Bob Halley's entire salary for BIND work since we have not received sufficient donations to pay for it other- wise. (INN and DHCP will shortly be in the same boat.)
Please post the mailing address for ISC so that we can send ISC a check. Also please indicate small, medium and large amounts, as I have no idea what the effort is costing and how many contributors you have. We run BIND, INN and soon DHCP. Sincerely, Larry Vaden, founder and CEO <vaden@texoma.net> help-desk 903-813-4500 Internet Texoma, Inc. <http://www.texoma.net> direct 903-870-0365 bringing the real Internet to rural Texomaland fax 903-868-8551 Member ISP/C, TISPA and USIPA pager 903-867-6571
Please post the mailing address for ISC so that we can send ISC a check. Also please indicate small, medium and large amounts, as I have no idea what the effort is costing and how many contributors you have.
The http://www.isc.org/isc/ web page should tell you everything you need.
We run BIND, INN and soon DHCP.
Like the whole industry. And currently, as well as usually, our stuff is better than anything you can get commercially. I've seriously considered the Cygnus funding model as potentially superior to the X funding model we are using now. The current major release of BIND supports dynamic updates. The next major release of our DHCP server will use it. (In fairness, some vendors have this now, though interestingly, one I know of based their work on our stuff and plans to donate neither code nor money in return.)
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