Michael, I agree totally. Every ISP I know of is working to combat spam. They all have a staffed abuse desk. They all coordinate with other ISP's that is one of the reasons I joined this list. I believe its time to move this to the next level. Follow the money. When you see spam report it to the abuse team for the isp the spam came from AND report the advertiser (follow the link in the spam) to their ISP. Getting the advertiser ($$$) site shutdown will be more effective then getting the trojaned/botted/infected pc disabled. When spam is no longer a profitable method of advertisement then it will end. Till then we will continue to see virii and worms add proxy ports to allow the spammers 1000's of points to bounce their spam off of. Donald.Smith@qwest.com GCIA I reserve the right to be wrong but don't exercise it too often.

-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Painter Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 4:11 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Attn MCI/UUNet - Massive abuse from your network

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" <jrace@attglobal.net> To: "Smith, Donald" <Donald.Smith@qwest.com> Cc: <nanog@merit.edu> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 6:22 PM Subject: RE: Attn MCI/UUNet - Massive abuse from your network

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On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:39:26 -0600, Smith, Donald wrote:

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I am not a lawyer. I am not aware of the law that requires uunet to go to court to prevent spammers who are not their direct

customers from using

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their network.

Doctrine of attractive nuisance

When I worked for IBM back in the '60s, on many occasions during my 7 years there I heard upper management say that they were proud to be with a company that tried to be a "Good Corporate Citizen ". One branch manager had a cube on his desk which had printed on each side the(ir) manifesto of Corporate Social Responsibility.

From the AOL theft article: "The revelations come as AOL and other Internet providers have ramped up their efforts to track down the purveyors of spam, which has grown into a maddening scourge that costs consumers and businesses billions of dollars a year."

Perhaps those Corporate Citizens who can do something to ensure the viability of E-mail, should.

--Michael