I can't even load www.aol.com now that we're running both IPV4 and IPV6 in the office. nslookup just times out. Does anyone else have this problem? Michael

Just for everyone's information, the issue I originally mentioned has been fixed, there was a weird NS entry loop in the aol dns but it's been corrected and seems to function normally now (for IPv4 anyway, don't know about that 4/6 issue someone mentioned). One of the guys from AOL reads the list and worked with me to get it resolved, hats off to that nameless man. :) Geo.

pete@he.iki.fi ("Petri Helenius") writes:

I´m constantly seeing responses to queries for AOL servers which come in from different IP addresses than the query was sent to.

due to the weakness of the 16-bit query id field, bind will throw that stuff away. the source address and port has to match the destination of the query, and the question section has to be copied in its entirety. i don't know who aol is going to be able to send responses to who won't apply those same restrictions.

On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Eric Germann wrote:

As the owner of answerpointe, I think it would be a shame to kill it because it does get a significant number of hits with legitimate searches. Stripping emails would seem to make it impossible to make inquiries of the collective knowledge of NANOG. Whether its webcrawling answerpointe or Ftp'ing the archive from MERIT, the net result is the same.

You also have the sporadic people who say "for whatever reason, I said something on NANOG I shouldn't have because now that I am unemployed from a dot bomb, when I try to get a job, they search the web and these stupid posts I made show up in your archive and can you remove them so I can get a job???" I explain to them the concept of an an archive.

Whats the collective voice of NANOG say, keep it or kill it?

It is likely that anyone who has posted to NANOG for any length of time also has his/her email address strewn throughout the 'net in numerous places where spammers troll. I'd keep it as is. Archives are a good resource and help to keep the noise ratio down. One option would be to make the archives only available to the members of the list. This gets tricky as some form of authentication would then be needed and it's difficult unless the archive and the list are under the same administrative entity. A quick google seems to indicate that internetseer are well-known and persistent spammers, and they've hit several spamtraps of ours. Giving them a static route to null0 wouldn't be a bad thing. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Administration - jay@west.net WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323 WB6RDV NetLojix Communications, Inc. - http://www.netlojix.com/

Charles Sprickman wrote:

On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Eric Germann wrote:

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You also have the sporadic people who say "for whatever reason, I said something on NANOG I shouldn't have because now that I am unemployed from a dot bomb, when I try to get a job, they search the web and these stupid posts I made show up in your archive and can you remove them so I can get a job???" I explain to them the concept of an an archive.

Whats the collective voice of NANOG say, keep it or kill it?

Personally, since Merit is already archiving it, I'd really prefer that everyone else did not. You don't do us any favor. If I want to search the archives, I know where they are. I never understand the need to archive someone else's mailing list. On the other hand...

I think we're all big boys (and girls) here and understand that subscribing to a large, archived mailing list will get your subscription address on yet another "1,000 MILLION EMAIL ADDRESSES" CD. I should hope everyone here can implement, or at least ask for, basic spam filtering. This isn't your grandmother's crochet chat group; everyone here should be smart enough to at least glance at the Merit site before subscribing.

Sure, maybe, but I really think, in this day and age, if you're going to archive mail in a public manner, that you ought to do the courteous thing, and at least make it somewhat difficult to collect email addresses. Sure, bugtraq (for example) is archived from here to Mars, and they surely don't obscure, but I really think that Nanog ought to be a cut or so above them...but then, it isn't my call.

If you come in here and say things that make you unattractive as a prospective employee, tough crap. :) More jobs for the rest of us.

Oh, even more important than that: It makes it easier for prospective employers to weed out the bad ones. Think about it. If you behave unprofessionally here, my guess is you're unprofessional. Go right ahead and display your bad manners in public; you're doing everyone a favor, and providing an early warning as well. There you have it. -- A system admin's life is a sorry one. The only advantage he has over Emergency Room doctors is that malpractice suits are rare. On the other hand, ER doctors never have to deal with patients installing new versions of their own innards! (Michael O'Brien)