Announcing APNIC IP's in ARIN region
Hello, I was wondering if there are any problems originating APNIC IP's in the ARIN region through transit providers? I have a Singapore-based prospect who would like to do business with us, but I'm not sure if I'll run into problems originating their IP's in the US - which were assigned to them from APNIC. Best regards, Brandon Wade iCastCenter.com
On 2012-09-21 01:57, Brandon Wade wrote:
Hello,
I was wondering if there are any problems originating APNIC IP's in the ARIN region through transit providers? I have a Singapore-based prospect who would like to do business with us, but I'm not sure if I'll run into problems originating their IP's in the US - which were assigned to them from APNIC.
As this Internet thing is a global thing, why would that be an issue? (unless it is a spammer outfit of course ;) Greets, Jeroen
It presents no technical problem but has always been considered politically inadvisable. I mean, there are multiple registries for a reason that goes beyond mere oranization and load sharing. Increasingly, governments are trying to take more control over packets (there is ever the push for geographic maping mechanisms and so on) and that may introduce potential legal problems in the future, depending on the nation you're in and how paranoid they become. So in short, do what you need to do. Just be aware of sub-optimal. -Wayne On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:30:59AM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote:
On 2012-09-21 01:57, Brandon Wade wrote:
Hello,
I was wondering if there are any problems originating APNIC IP's in the ARIN region through transit providers? I have a Singapore-based prospect who would like to do business with us, but I'm not sure if I'll run into problems originating their IP's in the US - which were assigned to them from APNIC.
As this Internet thing is a global thing, why would that be an issue?
(unless it is a spammer outfit of course ;)
Greets, Jeroen
--- Wayne Bouchard web@typo.org Network Dude http://www.typo.org/~web/
In message <20120925090534.GA7293@wakko.typo.org>, Wayne E Bouchard writes:
It presents no technical problem but has always been considered politically inadvisable. I mean, there are multiple registries for a reason that goes beyond mere oranization and load sharing.
There are multiple registries because it is easier to deal with someone the speaks you language / is in the same approximate time zone. The SG site has got addresses from APNIC. There is no requirement to connect in the APNIC region. Lots of APNIC sites connect to the rest of the world in the US.
Increasingly, governments are trying to take more control over packets (there is ever the push for geographic maping mechanisms and so on) and that may introduce potential legal problems in the future, depending on the nation you're in and how paranoid they become.
So in short, do what you need to do. Just be aware of sub-optimal.
-Wayne
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:30:59AM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote:
On 2012-09-21 01:57, Brandon Wade wrote:
Hello,
I was wondering if there are any problems originating APNIC IP's in the ARIN region through transit providers? I have a Singapore-based prospect who would like to do business with us, but I'm not sure if I'll run into problems originating their IP's in the US - which were assigned to them from APNIC.
As this Internet thing is a global thing, why would that be an issue?
(unless it is a spammer outfit of course ;)
Greets, Jeroen
--- Wayne Bouchard web@typo.org Network Dude http://www.typo.org/~web/
-- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org
On Sep 25, 2012, at 2:05 AM, Wayne E Bouchard <web@typo.org> wrote:
It presents no technical problem but has always been considered politically inadvisable. I mean, there are multiple registries for a reason that goes beyond mere oranization and load sharing.
Always? Actually, no. Back when the RIRs were first starting up, we pushed multinationals to obtain their addresses from the RIR that served the region in which their headquarters were located. The theory was that a single RIR would be better able to ensure addresses were used efficiently and it was more likely routing announcements could be limited. I personally got into a long argument with folks from Shell who wanted addresses from APNIC for their AP region networks and were displeased when I pushed them to RIPE-NCC ("Royal Dutch Shell", headquarters in The Hague). I believe Geert Jan DeGroot at RIPE-NCC (who tended to be a stickler for those sorts of things) got into similar arguments with folks from Mitsubishi in Europe. Of course, the cynical might suggest that over time, such niceties as conserving address space and routing slots would, of course, take a lower priority to marking territory and RIR revenues, but who would be that cynical? Regards, -drc
Wayne, This isn't entirely true... As a general rule, most people have no objection so long as a given organization that is getting space from RIRs conforms to one of the following: Get from the RIR where HQ is located. Get from the RIR where addresses are deployed. For example, an organization in the APNIC region that wanted to deploy a router at a US XP and announce their space there is entirely valid. An ISP headquartered in the AfriNIC region that expanded into Europe would be able to use their Afrinic space for that expansion as well. Owen On Sep 25, 2012, at 02:05 , Wayne E Bouchard <web@typo.org> wrote:
It presents no technical problem but has always been considered politically inadvisable. I mean, there are multiple registries for a reason that goes beyond mere oranization and load sharing. Increasingly, governments are trying to take more control over packets (there is ever the push for geographic maping mechanisms and so on) and that may introduce potential legal problems in the future, depending on the nation you're in and how paranoid they become.
So in short, do what you need to do. Just be aware of sub-optimal.
-Wayne
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:30:59AM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote:
On 2012-09-21 01:57, Brandon Wade wrote:
Hello,
I was wondering if there are any problems originating APNIC IP's in the ARIN region through transit providers? I have a Singapore-based prospect who would like to do business with us, but I'm not sure if I'll run into problems originating their IP's in the US - which were assigned to them from APNIC.
As this Internet thing is a global thing, why would that be an issue?
(unless it is a spammer outfit of course ;)
Greets, Jeroen
--- Wayne Bouchard web@typo.org Network Dude http://www.typo.org/~web/
In message <505BAD72.9070605@icastcenter.com>, Brandon Wade writes:
Hello,
I was wondering if there are any problems originating APNIC IP's in the ARIN region through transit providers? I have a Singapore-based prospect who would like to do business with us, but I'm not sure if I'll run into problems originating their IP's in the US - which were assigned to them from APNIC.
Best regards, Brandon Wade iCastCenter.com
There should be no problems. -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org
The only problem I've ever run into is with IP geo-location providers using the country of origin of the original assignments to determine the locale of the IP. Major CDN providers and content owners then use these geo-location providers to provide geography specific content or for content localization. A problem we saw at GC when using our ARIN space in APAC (which I realize is the inverse of your situation) is that our enterprise customers often got redirected to a cloud server in the United States rather than in their originating country, and this was in spite of their block being SWIP'd out to them in that country. It's conceivable that you could have some sort of similar problem depending on the nature of your project and how you are planning to use their IP's. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Brandon Wade [mailto:brandonwade@icastcenter.com] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 5:58 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Announcing APNIC IP's in ARIN region Hello, I was wondering if there are any problems originating APNIC IP's in the ARIN region through transit providers? I have a Singapore-based prospect who would like to do business with us, but I'm not sure if I'll run into problems originating their IP's in the US - which were assigned to them from APNIC. Best regards, Brandon Wade iCastCenter.com
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