10G-capable customer router recommendations?
Hello masters of the Internet, I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router. Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6). The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps). I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks). Thanks in advance for your suggestions. -Dave
Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential customers we install Brocade ICXs. Aaron On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote:
Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
-Dave
-- ================================================================ Aaron Wendel Chief Technical Officer Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097) (816)550-9030 http://www.wholesaleinternet.com ================================================================
Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now. -Mike
On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron <aaron@wholesaleinternet.net> wrote:
Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential customers we install Brocade ICXs.
Aaron
On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote: Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
-Dave
-- ================================================================ Aaron Wendel Chief Technical Officer Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097) (816)550-9030 http://www.wholesaleinternet.com ================================================================
Can't do more than 1Gbps per flow. Not suitable for this application. On Apr 15, 2016 5:03 PM, <mike.lyon@gmail.com> wrote:
Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
-Mike
On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron <aaron@wholesaleinternet.net> wrote:
Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential customers we install Brocade ICXs.
Aaron
On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote: Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
-Dave
-- ================================================================ Aaron Wendel Chief Technical Officer Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097) (816)550-9030 http://www.wholesaleinternet.com ================================================================
On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
Can't do more than 1Gbps per flow. Not suitable for this application. On Apr 15, 2016 5:03 PM, <mike.lyon@gmail.com> wrote:
Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
-Mike
Also it falls pretty much flat on it's face the moment you do anything useful in terms of firewalling / NATing.
CCRs do firewalling and NAT just great. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Knipe" <savage@savage.za.org> To: "Josh Reynolds" <josh@kyneticwifi.com> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:11:54 PM Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
Can't do more than 1Gbps per flow. Not suitable for this application. On Apr 15, 2016 5:03 PM, <mike.lyon@gmail.com> wrote:
Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
-Mike
Also it falls pretty much flat on it's face the moment you do anything useful in terms of firewalling / NATing.
Welp! Color me wrong... -Mike On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
Can't do more than 1Gbps per flow. Not suitable for this application. On Apr 15, 2016 5:03 PM, <mike.lyon@gmail.com> wrote:
Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
-Mike
On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron <aaron@wholesaleinternet.net> wrote:
Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential customers we install Brocade ICXs.
Aaron
On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote: Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
-Dave
-- ================================================================ Aaron Wendel Chief Technical Officer Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097) (816)550-9030 http://www.wholesaleinternet.com ================================================================
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Hmm, the chances of getting a single flow of more than 1gig to/from the "internet" is close to zero in a CPE situation. If the Connection is a service provider or similar sure, this limitation may well apply, but a home user (however high end), nope I just can't see it. If you need something capable of a single stream over 1G with 10G interfaces then really cost is going to have to be no object. If this is the case then something like a 600D will do the job - http://www.fortinet.com/sites/default/files/productdatasheets/FortiGate-600D... Add any 10G switch you like off the second SFP+ port if you need 10G CPE, it's not likely to need to be an expensive one (EX3300?) I've used the Mikrotik CCR's as high end CPE (with 10G uplink) very successfully as they offer excellent price/performance, but if that's no object then there are plenty of options.
Can't do more than 1Gbps per flow. Not suitable for this application. On Apr 15, 2016 5:03 PM, <mike.lyon@gmail.com> wrote:
Different philosophy - strings attached. When I sell a service, either residential or business or DIA, the terms are clearly stated. If I were selling a multi-hundred dollar a month service, the CPE cost is minimal. If I don't offer a service that is at least *capable* of providing what I'm selling, then my competition will. I prefer to not hand out competitive advantages. On Apr 15, 2016 6:24 PM, "Tony Wicks" <tony@wicks.co.nz> wrote:
Hmm, the chances of getting a single flow of more than 1gig to/from the "internet" is close to zero in a CPE situation. If the Connection is a service provider or similar sure, this limitation may well apply, but a home user (however high end), nope I just can't see it. If you need something capable of a single stream over 1G with 10G interfaces then really cost is going to have to be no object. If this is the case then something like a 600D will do the job -
http://www.fortinet.com/sites/default/files/productdatasheets/FortiGate-600D... Add any 10G switch you like off the second SFP+ port if you need 10G CPE, it's not likely to need to be an expensive one (EX3300?)
I've used the Mikrotik CCR's as high end CPE (with 10G uplink) very successfully as they offer excellent price/performance, but if that's no object then there are plenty of options.
Can't do more than 1Gbps per flow. Not suitable for this application. On Apr 15, 2016 5:03 PM, <mike.lyon@gmail.com> wrote:
This has not been the case for at least a year now. Most Mikrotik routers now support FastPath/FastTrack. This is kind of like CEF in Cisco land. http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Fast_Path http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Wiki/Fasttrack On 16/04/2016 10:07 am, "Josh Reynolds" <josh@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
Can't do more than 1Gbps per flow. Not suitable for this application. On Apr 15, 2016 5:03 PM, <mike.lyon@gmail.com> wrote:
Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
-Mike
On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron <aaron@wholesaleinternet.net> wrote:
Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential customers we install Brocade ICXs.
Aaron
On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote: Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
-Dave
-- ================================================================ Aaron Wendel Chief Technical Officer Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097) (816)550-9030 http://www.wholesaleinternet.com ================================================================
You might ask Normis about that :) It has nothing to do with fastpath, and isn't scheduled to be fixed until 7.x when many features are rewritten to take advantage of multiple tile cores. Currently each port is pinned to a single cpu (affinity) due to latency and performance reasons - but yes there are drawbacks when your per core clock is still in 1GHz territory. If you want to talk more about this, we can discuss.offlist or on the Mikrotik forum. On Apr 16, 2016 12:51 AM, "Andrew Thrift" <andrew@networklabs.co.nz> wrote:
This has not been the case for at least a year now.
Most Mikrotik routers now support FastPath/FastTrack. This is kind of like CEF in Cisco land.
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Fast_Path
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Wiki/Fasttrack On 16/04/2016 10:07 am, "Josh Reynolds" <josh@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
Can't do more than 1Gbps per flow. Not suitable for this application. On Apr 15, 2016 5:03 PM, <mike.lyon@gmail.com> wrote:
Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
-Mike
On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron <aaron@wholesaleinternet.net> wrote:
Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential customers we install Brocade ICXs.
Aaron
On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote: Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
-Dave
-- ================================================================ Aaron Wendel Chief Technical Officer Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097) (816)550-9030 http://www.wholesaleinternet.com ================================================================
If you were on FB, the TBW page would be a great venue. ;-) ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Reynolds" <josh@kyneticwifi.com> To: "Andrew Thrift" <andrew@networklabs.co.nz> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 9:12:13 AM Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? You might ask Normis about that :) It has nothing to do with fastpath, and isn't scheduled to be fixed until 7.x when many features are rewritten to take advantage of multiple tile cores. Currently each port is pinned to a single cpu (affinity) due to latency and performance reasons - but yes there are drawbacks when your per core clock is still in 1GHz territory. If you want to talk more about this, we can discuss.offlist or on the Mikrotik forum. On Apr 16, 2016 12:51 AM, "Andrew Thrift" <andrew@networklabs.co.nz> wrote:
This has not been the case for at least a year now.
Most Mikrotik routers now support FastPath/FastTrack. This is kind of like CEF in Cisco land.
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Fast_Path
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Wiki/Fasttrack On 16/04/2016 10:07 am, "Josh Reynolds" <josh@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
Can't do more than 1Gbps per flow. Not suitable for this application. On Apr 15, 2016 5:03 PM, <mike.lyon@gmail.com> wrote:
Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
-Mike
On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron <aaron@wholesaleinternet.net> wrote:
Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential customers we install Brocade ICXs.
Aaron
On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote: Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
-Dave
-- ================================================================ Aaron Wendel Chief Technical Officer Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097) (816)550-9030 http://www.wholesaleinternet.com ================================================================
Facebook is for losers. Forums are for closers. ;) On Apr 16, 2016 9:21 AM, "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
If you were on FB, the TBW page would be a great venue. ;-)
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Reynolds" <josh@kyneticwifi.com> To: "Andrew Thrift" <andrew@networklabs.co.nz> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 9:12:13 AM Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?
You might ask Normis about that :) It has nothing to do with fastpath, and isn't scheduled to be fixed until 7.x when many features are rewritten to take advantage of multiple tile cores.
Currently each port is pinned to a single cpu (affinity) due to latency and performance reasons - but yes there are drawbacks when your per core clock is still in 1GHz territory.
If you want to talk more about this, we can discuss.offlist or on the Mikrotik forum. On Apr 16, 2016 12:51 AM, "Andrew Thrift" <andrew@networklabs.co.nz> wrote:
This has not been the case for at least a year now.
Most Mikrotik routers now support FastPath/FastTrack. This is kind of like CEF in Cisco land.
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Fast_Path
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Wiki/Fasttrack On 16/04/2016 10:07 am, "Josh Reynolds" <josh@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
Can't do more than 1Gbps per flow. Not suitable for this application. On Apr 15, 2016 5:03 PM, <mike.lyon@gmail.com> wrote:
Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
-Mike
On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron <aaron@wholesaleinternet.net> wrote:
Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential customers we install Brocade ICXs.
Aaron
On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote: Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
-Dave
-- ================================================================ Aaron Wendel Chief Technical Officer Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097) (816)550-9030 http://www.wholesaleinternet.com ================================================================
So after looking at the most recent testing I can find, it seems the that the 10Gbps CCR can indeed do more than 1Gbps per flow. It requires jumbo frames and fastpath compatible config to pull off. In short, you're still better off for the price using a L3 ASIC on a 10Gbps capable switch which can do full line rate at the smallest packet sizes with those limitations in mind. MikroTik is indeed a good general purpose platform for many things. Although the CLI IMO isn't as nice as JUNOS or Vyatta/EdgeOS (personal preference here), many should not be so quick to dismiss it. On Apr 16, 2016 12:51 AM, "Andrew Thrift" <andrew@networklabs.co.nz> wrote:
This has not been the case for at least a year now.
Most Mikrotik routers now support FastPath/FastTrack. This is kind of like CEF in Cisco land.
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Fast_Path
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Wiki/Fasttrack On 16/04/2016 10:07 am, "Josh Reynolds" <josh@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
Can't do more than 1Gbps per flow. Not suitable for this application. On Apr 15, 2016 5:03 PM, <mike.lyon@gmail.com> wrote:
Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
-Mike
On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron <aaron@wholesaleinternet.net> wrote:
Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential customers we install Brocade ICXs.
Aaron
On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote: Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
-Dave
-- ================================================================ Aaron Wendel Chief Technical Officer Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097) (816)550-9030 http://www.wholesaleinternet.com ================================================================
Hi, I would also vote for Mikrotik products; IMHO this looks perfect for this situation. http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC On 04/16/2016 12:01 AM, mike.lyon@gmail.com wrote:
Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
-Mike
On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron <aaron@wholesaleinternet.net> wrote:
Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential customers we install Brocade ICXs.
Aaron
On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote: Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
-Dave
-- ================================================================ Aaron Wendel Chief Technical Officer Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097) (816)550-9030 http://www.wholesaleinternet.com ================================================================
As much as I enjoy Mikrotik products and respect my friends and peers who use them, until ROS 7.x the CCR is a "gimped" product. On Apr 15, 2016 5:10 PM, "Filip Hruska" <fhr@fhrnet.eu> wrote:
Hi,
I would also vote for Mikrotik products; IMHO this looks perfect for this situation.
http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC
On 04/16/2016 12:01 AM, mike.lyon@gmail.com wrote:
Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
-Mike
On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron <aaron@wholesaleinternet.net> wrote:
Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential customers we install Brocade ICXs.
Aaron
On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote:
Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
-Dave
-- ================================================================ Aaron Wendel Chief Technical Officer Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097) (816)550-9030 http://www.wholesaleinternet.com ================================================================
The CCRs' primary weaknesses are full tables and 1 gigabit cap per flow. Neither is likely to be an issue for this residential use case. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Reynolds" <josh@kyneticwifi.com> To: "Filip Hruska" <fhr@fhrnet.eu> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:12:35 PM Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? As much as I enjoy Mikrotik products and respect my friends and peers who use them, until ROS 7.x the CCR is a "gimped" product. On Apr 15, 2016 5:10 PM, "Filip Hruska" <fhr@fhrnet.eu> wrote:
Hi,
I would also vote for Mikrotik products; IMHO this looks perfect for this situation.
http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC
On 04/16/2016 12:01 AM, mike.lyon@gmail.com wrote:
Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
-Mike
On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron <aaron@wholesaleinternet.net> wrote:
Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential customers we install Brocade ICXs.
Aaron
On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote:
Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
-Dave
-- ================================================================ Aaron Wendel Chief Technical Officer Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097) (816)550-9030 http://www.wholesaleinternet.com ================================================================
If I were sold a $400/mo+ service that had a limitation like that, I would be very unhappy. To each their own. On Apr 15, 2016 8:29 PM, "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
The CCRs' primary weaknesses are full tables and 1 gigabit cap per flow. Neither is likely to be an issue for this residential use case.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Reynolds" <josh@kyneticwifi.com> To: "Filip Hruska" <fhr@fhrnet.eu> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:12:35 PM Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?
As much as I enjoy Mikrotik products and respect my friends and peers who use them, until ROS 7.x the CCR is a "gimped" product. On Apr 15, 2016 5:10 PM, "Filip Hruska" <fhr@fhrnet.eu> wrote:
Hi,
I would also vote for Mikrotik products; IMHO this looks perfect for this situation.
http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC
On 04/16/2016 12:01 AM, mike.lyon@gmail.com wrote:
Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
-Mike
On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron <aaron@wholesaleinternet.net> wrote:
Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential customers we install Brocade ICXs.
Aaron
On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote:
Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to
do
IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
-Dave
-- ================================================================ Aaron Wendel Chief Technical Officer Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097) (816)550-9030 http://www.wholesaleinternet.com ================================================================
I'm glad you're in Missouri and not in my area. :-) ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Reynolds" <josh@kyneticwifi.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 8:32:17 PM Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? If I were sold a $400/mo+ service that had a limitation like that, I would be very unhappy. To each their own. On Apr 15, 2016 8:29 PM, "Mike Hammett" < nanog@ics-il.net > wrote: The CCRs' primary weaknesses are full tables and 1 gigabit cap per flow. Neither is likely to be an issue for this residential use case. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Reynolds" < josh@kyneticwifi.com > To: "Filip Hruska" < fhr@fhrnet.eu > Cc: "NANOG" < nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:12:35 PM Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? As much as I enjoy Mikrotik products and respect my friends and peers who use them, until ROS 7.x the CCR is a "gimped" product. On Apr 15, 2016 5:10 PM, "Filip Hruska" < fhr@fhrnet.eu > wrote:
Hi,
I would also vote for Mikrotik products; IMHO this looks perfect for this situation.
http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC
On 04/16/2016 12:01 AM, mike.lyon@gmail.com wrote:
Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
-Mike
On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron < aaron@wholesaleinternet.net > wrote:
Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential customers we install Brocade ICXs.
Aaron
On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote:
Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
-Dave
-- ================================================================ Aaron Wendel Chief Technical Officer Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097) (816)550-9030 http://www.wholesaleinternet.com ================================================================
:) On Apr 15, 2016 8:45 PM, "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
I'm glad you're in Missouri and not in my area. :-)
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Reynolds" <josh@kyneticwifi.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 8:32:17 PM Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?
If I were sold a $400/mo+ service that had a limitation like that, I would be very unhappy. To each their own. On Apr 15, 2016 8:29 PM, "Mike Hammett" < nanog@ics-il.net > wrote:
The CCRs' primary weaknesses are full tables and 1 gigabit cap per flow. Neither is likely to be an issue for this residential use case.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Reynolds" < josh@kyneticwifi.com > To: "Filip Hruska" < fhr@fhrnet.eu > Cc: "NANOG" < nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:12:35 PM Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?
As much as I enjoy Mikrotik products and respect my friends and peers who use them, until ROS 7.x the CCR is a "gimped" product. On Apr 15, 2016 5:10 PM, "Filip Hruska" < fhr@fhrnet.eu > wrote:
Hi,
I would also vote for Mikrotik products; IMHO this looks perfect for this situation.
http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC
On 04/16/2016 12:01 AM, mike.lyon@gmail.com wrote:
Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
-Mike
On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron < aaron@wholesaleinternet.net > wrote:
Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential customers we install Brocade ICXs.
Aaron
On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote:
Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to
do
IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
-Dave
-- ================================================================ Aaron Wendel Chief Technical Officer Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097) (816)550-9030 http://www.wholesaleinternet.com ================================================================
I highly doubt that. It is not easy to configure, certainty trial and error approaches will generate low performance. I have Mikrotik CCR in production and everything the manufacturer states it does, it does for me. Best regards, Kurt Kraut Em 15 de abr de 2016 19:08, "Filip Hruska" <fhr@fhrnet.eu> escreveu:
Hi,
I would also vote for Mikrotik products; IMHO this looks perfect for this situation.
http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC
On 04/16/2016 12:01 AM, mike.lyon@gmail.com wrote:
Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
-Mike
On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron <aaron@wholesaleinternet.net> wrote:
Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential customers we install Brocade ICXs.
Aaron
On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote:
Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
-Dave
-- ================================================================ Aaron Wendel Chief Technical Officer Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097) (816)550-9030 http://www.wholesaleinternet.com ================================================================
Thanks Aaron. Unless something has changed recently, I don't think the Brocade ICX series does NAT either. On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Aaron <aaron@wholesaleinternet.net> wrote:
Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential customers we install Brocade ICXs.
Aaron
-- ================================================================ Aaron Wendel Chief Technical Officer Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097) (816)550-9030 http://www.wholesaleinternet.com ================================================================
Not *exactly* what you're asking for, but a Lanner appliance (http://www.lannerinc.com/products/network-appliances/x86-rackmount-network-a...) might suit your needs. M. Original Message From: David Sotnick Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 16:19 To: NANOG Subject: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? Hello masters of the Internet, I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router. Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6). The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps). I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks). Thanks in advance for your suggestions. -Dave
Would still need a Chelsio / Mellanox etc card, and even then you're not going to hit line rate if you have NAT or any traffic shaping enabled at all. Maybe with DPDK/netmap/pf_ring, but that would be some pretty custom work. On Apr 15, 2016 6:47 PM, "Michael Brown" <michael@supermathie.net> wrote:
Not *exactly* what you're asking for, but a Lanner appliance ( http://www.lannerinc.com/products/network-appliances/x86-rackmount-network-a...) might suit your needs.
M.
Original Message From: David Sotnick Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 16:19 To: NANOG Subject: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?
Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
-Dave
Does that lanner even do SFP+? Dont see it listed in the specs. Looks like 4210 has 2x SFP+, though their 'performance' level products look more in line with 'useful'. http://www.lannerinc.com/products/x86-network-appliances/x86-rackmount-appli... As for the microtics, wonky user interface, so very unciscolike (i guess thats my problem - but the GUI thing feels like a toy), but for their midrange models I found their bgp convergence times pretty poor on their low end cpus... What do you put on the lanner? OpenBGPd? Quagga? Also looking for a 10G solution here, low power (than a full ASR stack..) is my goal for 5-6 full bgp feeds. /kc On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 07:45:39PM -0400, Michael Brown said:
Not *exactly* what you're asking for, but a Lanner appliance (???http://www.lannerinc.com/products/network-appliances/x86-rackmount-network-a...) might suit your needs.
M.
?? Original Message ?? From: David Sotnick Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 16:19 To: NANOG Subject: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?
Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
-Dave
Ken Chase - math@sizone.org
Hope you all realize a few minor details:- Mikrotik is a ROS (Router Operating System), based on linux. Mikrotik also makes hardware called RouterBoards. Having said that... Mikrotik ROS runs on X86 platforms (such as Lanner or axiomtek) Similarly you can also run linux on the Routerboard platforms. Having said that... Lanner & Axiomtek etc x86 appliances have one pcie slot, where you can install the NIC of your choice. Dual 10g SFP+ Intel Card or 2/4/6 port Hotlava Card, or Chelsio etc. You can mix and match to suite your needs. Don't like RouterBoard or CCR's, no problem you can run MT ROS on an X86 Platform of your choice. These days you can even run it on a VM solution... Don't like MT ROS, no problem feel free to run your choice of OS, and routing daemons. Want a high performance x86 Firewall... inexpensive.. look at Server-U, ask them about their custom solution with Chelsio Cards. Don't like any of the above, feel free to by a Box with a Name on it (Brocade, Cisco, Juniper etc etc).. Yes, each platform has it's advantages, and it's short comings, and no one solution fits all needs. (Want to tow your boat, get a Hummer, want to go fast, get a ferrari.... don't try to tow you boat with a ferrari, or race in the streets with a hummer !) :) Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Chase" <math@sizone.org> To: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 8:24:56 PM Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?
Does that lanner even do SFP+? Dont see it listed in the specs. Looks like 4210 has 2x SFP+, though their 'performance' level products look more in line with 'useful'.
http://www.lannerinc.com/products/x86-network-appliances/x86-rackmount-appli...
As for the microtics, wonky user interface, so very unciscolike (i guess thats my problem - but the GUI thing feels like a toy), but for their midrange models I found their bgp convergence times pretty poor on their low end cpus...
What do you put on the lanner? OpenBGPd? Quagga? Also looking for a 10G solution here, low power (than a full ASR stack..) is my goal for 5-6 full bgp feeds.
/kc
On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 07:45:39PM -0400, Michael Brown said:
Not *exactly* what you're asking for, but a Lanner appliance (???http://www.lannerinc.com/products/network-appliances/x86-rackmount-network-a...) might suit your needs.
M.
?? Original Message ?? From: David Sotnick Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 16:19 To: NANOG Subject: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?
Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
-Dave
Ken Chase - math@sizone.org
Conversely, the UI is Mikrotik's big draw. :-) Being or not being like CIsco has zero bearing on me. Assuming the commands do what they say they'll do, any platform with tab complete is fine. :-) ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Chase" <math@sizone.org> To: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 7:24:56 PM Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? Does that lanner even do SFP+? Dont see it listed in the specs. Looks like 4210 has 2x SFP+, though their 'performance' level products look more in line with 'useful'. http://www.lannerinc.com/products/x86-network-appliances/x86-rackmount-appli... As for the microtics, wonky user interface, so very unciscolike (i guess thats my problem - but the GUI thing feels like a toy), but for their midrange models I found their bgp convergence times pretty poor on their low end cpus... What do you put on the lanner? OpenBGPd? Quagga? Also looking for a 10G solution here, low power (than a full ASR stack..) is my goal for 5-6 full bgp feeds. /kc On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 07:45:39PM -0400, Michael Brown said:
Not *exactly* what you're asking for, but a Lanner appliance (???http://www.lannerinc.com/products/network-appliances/x86-rackmount-network-a...) might suit your needs.
M.
?? Original Message ?? From: David Sotnick Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 16:19 To: NANOG Subject: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?
Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
-Dave
Ken Chase - math@sizone.org
"2 NIC module slots supporting 1/10/40G/Fiber/Copper/Bypass" Get one of those with a server class processor and and it's a server that looks like a spiffy network appliance. Very general purpose if general purpose is what you need, quagga / openbgpd on bsd, yes. And you can bake additional services onto it. M. Original Message From: Ken Chase Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 20:26 To: NANOG Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? Does that lanner even do SFP+? Dont see it listed in the specs. Looks like 4210 has 2x SFP+, though their 'performance' level products look more in line with 'useful'. http://www.lannerinc.com/products/x86-network-appliances/x86-rackmount-appli... As for the microtics, wonky user interface, so very unciscolike (i guess thats my problem - but the GUI thing feels like a toy), but for their midrange models I found their bgp convergence times pretty poor on their low end cpus... What do you put on the lanner? OpenBGPd? Quagga? Also looking for a 10G solution here, low power (than a full ASR stack..) is my goal for 5-6 full bgp feeds. /kc On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 07:45:39PM -0400, Michael Brown said:
Not *exactly* what you're asking for, but a Lanner appliance (???http://www.lannerinc.com/products/network-appliances/x86-rackmount-network-a...) might suit your needs.
M.
?? Original Message ?? From: David Sotnick Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 16:19 To: NANOG Subject: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?
Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
-Dave
Ken Chase - math@sizone.org
On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 01:18:10PM -0700, David Sotnick wrote:
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
FortiNet 600D? 36Gbps throughput with dual SFP+ port and several 1Gbps ports. Specs say full NGFW throughput is 2.4Gbps (ie. you turn on all the knobs).
Maybe the EdgePoint EP-S16 device from Ubiquiti. It has 2 SFP+ ports on it. I don't know the status of hardware offload support though. https://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/edgemax/EdgePoint_DS.pdf https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/ On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Doug McIntyre <merlyn@geeks.org> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 01:18:10PM -0700, David Sotnick wrote:
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
FortiNet 600D? 36Gbps throughput with dual SFP+ port and several 1Gbps ports. Specs say full NGFW throughput is 2.4Gbps (ie. you turn on all the knobs).
double check the spec sheets, EP-s16 is a switch not a router.. the smaller units are switch + routers. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jared Geiger" <jared@compuwizz.net> To: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 9:20:25 PM Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?
Maybe the EdgePoint EP-S16 device from Ubiquiti. It has 2 SFP+ ports on it. I don't know the status of hardware offload support though.
https://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/edgemax/EdgePoint_DS.pdf https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/
On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Doug McIntyre <merlyn@geeks.org> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 01:18:10PM -0700, David Sotnick wrote:
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
FortiNet 600D? 36Gbps throughput with dual SFP+ port and several 1Gbps ports. Specs say full NGFW throughput is 2.4Gbps (ie. you turn on all the knobs).
It does have limited static routing capability built in to the hardware though, but no NAT. On Apr 18, 2016 8:25 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
double check the spec sheets, EP-s16 is a switch not a router.. the smaller units are switch + routers.
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From: "Jared Geiger" <jared@compuwizz.net> To: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 9:20:25 PM Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?
Maybe the EdgePoint EP-S16 device from Ubiquiti. It has 2 SFP+ ports on it. I don't know the status of hardware offload support though.
https://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/edgemax/EdgePoint_DS.pdf https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/
On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Doug McIntyre <merlyn@geeks.org> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 01:18:10PM -0700, David Sotnick wrote:
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
FortiNet 600D? 36Gbps throughput with dual SFP+ port and several 1Gbps ports. Specs say full NGFW throughput is 2.4Gbps (ie. you turn on all the knobs).
I haven't tried to do 10Gb with it but pfSense isn't a horrible option. I've done 1G with left over computer parts and for the most part it works well. https://www.pfsense.org/ For "free" software it is pretty feature rich. Micah On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 1:18 PM, David Sotnick <sotnickd-nanog@ddv.com> wrote:
Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
-Dave
With a Chelsio T5 you might get some decent pure routing / NAT performance with the right card mod, but as soon as it goes into firewall/ACL/QoS etc, performance will tank drastically. On Apr 18, 2016 7:49 AM, "Micah Croff" <micahcroff@gmail.com> wrote:
I haven't tried to do 10Gb with it but pfSense isn't a horrible option. I've done 1G with left over computer parts and for the most part it works well.
For "free" software it is pretty feature rich.
Micah
On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 1:18 PM, David Sotnick <sotnickd-nanog@ddv.com> wrote:
Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
-Dave
Thanks for the replies, everyone! Much appreciated. I'm going to check out the Mikrotik CCR series out. Cheers, Dave On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 1:18 PM, David Sotnick <sotnickd-nanog@ddv.com> wrote:
Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also supports IPv6).
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
-Dave
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