http://icaruswept.com/2016/06/28/who-owns-the-internet/ .written in 12/2015 - do y'all think this is accurate, and, in 2018, is it still accurate ? (asking since my next question is related to Sparkle, since they are listed in that previous article as a significant Internet presence) Also, please tell me your feelings/experiences of Sparkle as an Internet uplink provider. like for 10/100 gig. My coworker just got back from ITW/Chicago and he is considering Sparkle as an additional Internet provider for the ISP I work for in San Antonio, TX . we would need to uplink to Sparkle in the central Texas area somehow. He mentioned that Sparkle may be in McAllen / Dallas and could possibly, in the future be in Austin or San Antonio - Aaron
Replace Level3 with CenturyLink as they're basically taking over AS33566. Would add Zayo (AS6461) to the list. I'm not familiar with Sparkle/Seabone to be honest as we're operating an eyeball network exclusively in the NA. On May 16 2018, at 10:54 am, Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> wrote:
http://icaruswept.com/2016/06/28/who-owns-the-internet/
.written in 12/2015 - do y'all think this is accurate, and, in 2018, is it still accurate ? (asking since my next question is related to Sparkle, since they are listed in that previous article as a significant Internet presence)
Also, please tell me your feelings/experiences of Sparkle as an Internet uplink provider. like for 10/100 gig.
My coworker just got back from ITW/Chicago and he is considering Sparkle as an additional Internet provider for the ISP I work for in San Antonio, TX . we would need to uplink to Sparkle in the central Texas area somehow. He mentioned that Sparkle may be in McAllen / Dallas and could possibly, in the future be in Austin or San Antonio
- Aaron
Additionally, whilst not "technically" a tier 1 provider, Hurricane electric should be high on that list. Especially as one of the best providers of and proponents for IPv6. We'll see into the future, HE may have one of the most critical infrastructures, and should be a "part-owner" of the internet. On Wed, May 16, 2018, 8:08 AM Eric Dugas <edugas@unknowndevice.ca> wrote:
Replace Level3 with CenturyLink as they're basically taking over AS33566. Would add Zayo (AS6461) to the list.
I'm not familiar with Sparkle/Seabone to be honest as we're operating an eyeball network exclusively in the NA. On May 16 2018, at 10:54 am, Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> wrote:
http://icaruswept.com/2016/06/28/who-owns-the-internet/
.written in 12/2015 - do y'all think this is accurate, and, in 2018, is
still accurate ? (asking since my next question is related to Sparkle, since they are listed in that previous article as a significant Internet
it presence)
Also, please tell me your feelings/experiences of Sparkle as an Internet uplink provider. like for 10/100 gig.
My coworker just got back from ITW/Chicago and he is considering Sparkle
an additional Internet provider for the ISP I work for in San Antonio, TX . we would need to uplink to Sparkle in the central Texas area somehow. He mentioned that Sparkle may be in McAllen / Dallas and could possibly, in
as the
future be in Austin or San Antonio
- Aaron
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 9:14 AM Michael Crapse <michael@wi-fiber.io> wrote:
Additionally, whilst not "technically" a tier 1 provider, Hurricane electric should be high on that list. Especially as one of the best providers of and proponents for IPv6. We'll see into the future, HE may have one of the most critical infrastructures, and should be a "part-owner" of the internet.
Fully disagree. 1). HE cant reach cogent on v6. Forget whos fault it is, it is a liability for anyone that relies on HE 2). They dont support common bgp communities like no-export, so trying to do TE is a mess. 3). They are at the center of nearly every bgp hijacking fiasco because they dont have reasonable route controls. HE is a liability to us all until they fix their bgp filters https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/04/amazons-route-53-bgp-hijack/
On Wed, May 16, 2018, 8:08 AM Eric Dugas <edugas@unknowndevice.ca> wrote:
Replace Level3 with CenturyLink as they're basically taking over AS33566. Would add Zayo (AS6461) to the list.
I'm not familiar with Sparkle/Seabone to be honest as we're operating an eyeball network exclusively in the NA. On May 16 2018, at 10:54 am, Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> wrote:
http://icaruswept.com/2016/06/28/who-owns-the-internet/
.written in 12/2015 - do y'all think this is accurate, and, in 2018, is
still accurate ? (asking since my next question is related to Sparkle, since they are listed in that previous article as a significant Internet
it presence)
Also, please tell me your feelings/experiences of Sparkle as an
uplink provider. like for 10/100 gig.
My coworker just got back from ITW/Chicago and he is considering Sparkle as an additional Internet provider for the ISP I work for in San Antonio, TX . we would need to uplink to Sparkle in the central Texas area somehow. He mentioned that Sparkle may be in McAllen / Dallas and could possibly, in
Internet the
future be in Austin or San Antonio
- Aaron
Agree with this 💯 Traffic engineering is non existent making it a pain to move your traffic besides not advertising the prefix to them Sent from my iPhone
On May 16, 2018, at 12:33 PM, Ca By <cb.list6@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 9:14 AM Michael Crapse <michael@wi-fiber.io> wrote:
Additionally, whilst not "technically" a tier 1 provider, Hurricane electric should be high on that list. Especially as one of the best providers of and proponents for IPv6. We'll see into the future, HE may have one of the most critical infrastructures, and should be a "part-owner" of the internet.
Fully disagree.
1). HE cant reach cogent on v6. Forget whos fault it is, it is a liability for anyone that relies on HE
2). They dont support common bgp communities like no-export, so trying to do TE is a mess.
3). They are at the center of nearly every bgp hijacking fiasco because they dont have reasonable route controls.
HE is a liability to us all until they fix their bgp filters
https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/04/amazons-route-53-bgp-hijack/
On Wed, May 16, 2018, 8:08 AM Eric Dugas <edugas@unknowndevice.ca> wrote:
Replace Level3 with CenturyLink as they're basically taking over AS33566. Would add Zayo (AS6461) to the list.
On May 16 2018, at 10:54 am, Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> wrote:
http://icaruswept.com/2016/06/28/who-owns-the-internet/
.written in 12/2015 - do y'all think this is accurate, and, in 2018, is it still accurate ? (asking since my next question is related to Sparkle, since they are listed in that previous article as a significant Internet
I'm not familiar with Sparkle/Seabone to be honest as we're operating an eyeball network exclusively in the NA. presence)
Also, please tell me your feelings/experiences of Sparkle as an
uplink provider. like for 10/100 gig.
My coworker just got back from ITW/Chicago and he is considering Sparkle as an additional Internet provider for the ISP I work for in San Antonio, TX . we would need to uplink to Sparkle in the central Texas area somehow. He mentioned that Sparkle may be in McAllen / Dallas and could possibly, in
Internet the
future be in Austin or San Antonio
- Aaron
On 16/05/2018 19:12, Michael Crapse wrote: HE listed currently in 7th place: http://as-rank.caida.org/ -Hank
Additionally, whilst not "technically" a tier 1 provider, Hurricane electric should be high on that list. Especially as one of the best providers of and proponents for IPv6. We'll see into the future, HE may have one of the most critical infrastructures, and should be a "part-owner" of the internet.
On 16/May/18 16:54, Aaron Gould wrote:
.written in 12/2015 - do y'all think this is accurate, and, in 2018, is it still accurate ? (asking since my next question is related to Sparkle, since they are listed in that previous article as a significant Internet presence)
I don't know about "owning" the Internet, but I would agree with the article re: the 7 key global transit providers as things stand in 2018. It matches up with our own compliment of transit providers in our network (AS37100).
My coworker just got back from ITW/Chicago and he is considering Sparkle as an additional Internet provider for the ISP I work for in San Antonio, TX . we would need to uplink to Sparkle in the central Texas area somehow. He mentioned that Sparkle may be in McAllen / Dallas and could possibly, in the future be in Austin or San Antonio
My initial experience with TI Sparkle was in South East Asia back in '08. They were decent. We have them in our stable, and like them for their South American coverage. Mark.
If most of your traffic is for US based destinations, you might see worse performance since Sparkle doesn't seem to have many US POPs/Peering locations compared to Centurylink/Level3 or HE. You'd probably benefit more by pulling in some peering from Dallas than adding or replacing a transit provider as your current mix is decent for an eyeball network. Pick up peering with Cloudflare, Netflix, Amazon, EdgeCast, Facebook, Apple, Akamai, and Microsoft in Dallas and you might even be able to get rid of one of your transit providers. Sparkle would "shine" if you were a US hosting provider with many eyeballs in Europe/Africa/Middle East. On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> wrote:
.written in 12/2015 - do y'all think this is accurate, and, in 2018, is it still accurate ? (asking since my next question is related to Sparkle, since they are listed in that previous article as a significant Internet
On 16/May/18 16:54, Aaron Gould wrote: presence)
I don't know about "owning" the Internet, but I would agree with the article re: the 7 key global transit providers as things stand in 2018.
It matches up with our own compliment of transit providers in our network (AS37100).
My coworker just got back from ITW/Chicago and he is considering Sparkle
an additional Internet provider for the ISP I work for in San Antonio, TX . we would need to uplink to Sparkle in the central Texas area somehow. He mentioned that Sparkle may be in McAllen / Dallas and could possibly, in
as the
future be in Austin or San Antonio
My initial experience with TI Sparkle was in South East Asia back in '08. They were decent.
We have them in our stable, and like them for their South American coverage.
Mark.
Hello, Also Sparkle (AS6762) has a significant footprint in South America, I'd say even bigger than Level 3 because they have mobile telco and broadband ISP in Brazil. I wouldn't worry much with latency in NA because at least in South America they do hot potato (as everyone does) and all their PoPs exchange traffic with at least Level 3. So I suspect traffic hardly ever exits their PoP within their network. Best regards, Kurt Kraut Em qua, 16 de mai de 2018 Ã s 16:32, Jared Geiger <jared@compuwizz.net> escreveu:
If most of your traffic is for US based destinations, you might see worse performance since Sparkle doesn't seem to have many US POPs/Peering locations compared to Centurylink/Level3 or HE. You'd probably benefit more by pulling in some peering from Dallas than adding or replacing a transit provider as your current mix is decent for an eyeball network. Pick up peering with Cloudflare, Netflix, Amazon, EdgeCast, Facebook, Apple, Akamai, and Microsoft in Dallas and you might even be able to get rid of one of your transit providers.
Sparkle would "shine" if you were a US hosting provider with many eyeballs in Europe/Africa/Middle East.
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> wrote:
.written in 12/2015 - do y'all think this is accurate, and, in 2018, is it still accurate ? (asking since my next question is related to Sparkle, since they are listed in that previous article as a significant Internet
On 16/May/18 16:54, Aaron Gould wrote: presence)
I don't know about "owning" the Internet, but I would agree with the article re: the 7 key global transit providers as things stand in 2018.
It matches up with our own compliment of transit providers in our network (AS37100).
My coworker just got back from ITW/Chicago and he is considering
Sparkle
an additional Internet provider for the ISP I work for in San Antonio, TX . we would need to uplink to Sparkle in the central Texas area somehow. He mentioned that Sparkle may be in McAllen / Dallas and could possibly, in
as the
future be in Austin or San Antonio
My initial experience with TI Sparkle was in South East Asia back in '08. They were decent.
We have them in our stable, and like them for their South American coverage.
Mark.
Thanks. What's an eyeball network ? How do you know my "current mix is decent" ? Btw, I have onsite the cdn's aanp, ggc, oca, fna, so only about ~60% of my customer traffic is from Internet uplinks... ~40% is served from local cdn's Aaron
On May 16, 2018, at 2:31 PM, Jared Geiger <jared@compuwizz.net> wrote:
If most of your traffic is for US based destinations, you might see worse performance since Sparkle doesn't seem to have many US POPs/Peering locations compared to Centurylink/Level3 or HE. You'd probably benefit more by pulling in some peering from Dallas than adding or replacing a transit provider as your current mix is decent for an eyeball network. Pick up peering with Cloudflare, Netflix, Amazon, EdgeCast, Facebook, Apple, Akamai, and Microsoft in Dallas and you might even be able to get rid of one of your transit providers.
Sparkle would "shine" if you were a US hosting provider with many eyeballs in Europe/Africa/Middle East.
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> wrote:
On 16/May/18 16:54, Aaron Gould wrote:
.written in 12/2015 - do y'all think this is accurate, and, in 2018, is it still accurate ? (asking since my next question is related to Sparkle, since they are listed in that previous article as a significant Internet presence)
I don't know about "owning" the Internet, but I would agree with the article re: the 7 key global transit providers as things stand in 2018.
It matches up with our own compliment of transit providers in our network (AS37100).
My coworker just got back from ITW/Chicago and he is considering Sparkle as an additional Internet provider for the ISP I work for in San Antonio, TX . we would need to uplink to Sparkle in the central Texas area somehow. He mentioned that Sparkle may be in McAllen / Dallas and could possibly, in the future be in Austin or San Antonio
My initial experience with TI Sparkle was in South East Asia back in '08. They were decent.
We have them in our stable, and like them for their South American coverage.
Mark.
I assumed your AS number is 16527 and looked up who you currently are peering with. On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> wrote:
Thanks.
What's an eyeball network ?
How do you know my "current mix is decent" ?
Btw, I have onsite the cdn's aanp, ggc, oca, fna, so only about ~60% of my customer traffic is from Internet uplinks... ~40% is served from local cdn's
Aaron
On May 16, 2018, at 2:31 PM, Jared Geiger <jared@compuwizz.net> wrote:
If most of your traffic is for US based destinations, you might see worse performance since Sparkle doesn't seem to have many US POPs/Peering locations compared to Centurylink/Level3 or HE. You'd probably benefit more by pulling in some peering from Dallas than adding or replacing a transit provider as your current mix is decent for an eyeball network. Pick up peering with Cloudflare, Netflix, Amazon, EdgeCast, Facebook, Apple, Akamai, and Microsoft in Dallas and you might even be able to get rid of one of your transit providers.
Sparkle would "shine" if you were a US hosting provider with many eyeballs in Europe/Africa/Middle East.
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> wrote:
.written in 12/2015 - do y'all think this is accurate, and, in 2018, is it still accurate ? (asking since my next question is related to Sparkle, since they are listed in that previous article as a significant Internet
On 16/May/18 16:54, Aaron Gould wrote: presence)
I don't know about "owning" the Internet, but I would agree with the article re: the 7 key global transit providers as things stand in 2018.
It matches up with our own compliment of transit providers in our network (AS37100).
My coworker just got back from ITW/Chicago and he is considering
Sparkle as
an additional Internet provider for the ISP I work for in San Antonio, TX . we would need to uplink to Sparkle in the central Texas area somehow. He mentioned that Sparkle may be in McAllen / Dallas and could possibly, in the future be in Austin or San Antonio
My initial experience with TI Sparkle was in South East Asia back in '08. They were decent.
We have them in our stable, and like them for their South American coverage.
Mark.
IXes are generally a far better use of eyeball resources than additional transit networks. Obviously, there are some edge exceptions. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Geiger" <jared@compuwizz.net> To: "Aaron Gould" <aaron1@gvtc.com>, Nanog@nanog.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 2:31:35 PM Subject: Re: internet - sparkle If most of your traffic is for US based destinations, you might see worse performance since Sparkle doesn't seem to have many US POPs/Peering locations compared to Centurylink/Level3 or HE. You'd probably benefit more by pulling in some peering from Dallas than adding or replacing a transit provider as your current mix is decent for an eyeball network. Pick up peering with Cloudflare, Netflix, Amazon, EdgeCast, Facebook, Apple, Akamai, and Microsoft in Dallas and you might even be able to get rid of one of your transit providers. Sparkle would "shine" if you were a US hosting provider with many eyeballs in Europe/Africa/Middle East. On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> wrote:
.written in 12/2015 - do y'all think this is accurate, and, in 2018, is it still accurate ? (asking since my next question is related to Sparkle, since they are listed in that previous article as a significant Internet
On 16/May/18 16:54, Aaron Gould wrote: presence)
I don't know about "owning" the Internet, but I would agree with the article re: the 7 key global transit providers as things stand in 2018.
It matches up with our own compliment of transit providers in our network (AS37100).
My coworker just got back from ITW/Chicago and he is considering Sparkle
an additional Internet provider for the ISP I work for in San Antonio, TX . we would need to uplink to Sparkle in the central Texas area somehow. He mentioned that Sparkle may be in McAllen / Dallas and could possibly, in
as the
future be in Austin or San Antonio
My initial experience with TI Sparkle was in South East Asia back in '08. They were decent.
We have them in our stable, and like them for their South American coverage.
Mark.
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