RE: Yes it's off topic but who cares right now.
I certainly agree that our country has an obligation to the victims and to the cause of justice to take some sort of action. However, I hope that in the event that more innocent lives are lost in the course of our response, that Americans will not revel and celebrate the way that we saw some Middle Easterners doing. I do not think the people we saw dancing in the streets on the news were typical Arab citizens. The typical observant Muslim is a monotheist with a high sense of ethics and considers terrorists to be.....terrorists. The better classes of Muslims are remarkably similar to the better classes of Americans. Unfortunately, we too have our share of bums who will be cheering on their barstools and consider it to be entertainment should the conflict spill over to impact innocents....as the terrorists very likely hope that it does. Ralph Los wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen, I've been lurking around reading all these 'love the planet' emails, and I have to agree...killing is surely not the answer - but if you gave me an unlimited supply of rockets, and a lot of killing power, I'd point it at Afganistan and say....'Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out later".......just my two cents...I had a friend who left his wife a message seconds before he died up there in south tower..."Honey, I'm on the 92nd floor and am not going to make it back to your arms alive - remember I will always love you" -then the line went dead....those words ring through my head over and over and over - I could have been there, so could you.
True, there is no taking back what happened, but if GW issued an act of war, and did some re-arranging of the middle-east and the like, and places like Afganistan, Iraq, and the Palestinian militant states DISAPPEARED forever - no one, especially this blue-blooded American would shed a tear...and I as one...would see all the psycho-terrorists to hell.
Otherwise known as, Dr. Blackfelt
On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Borchers, Mark wrote:
doing. I do not think the people we saw dancing in the streets on the news were typical Arab citizens.
You might find this very interesting: From: "Marcio A. V. de Carvalho" <marcio.carv@UOL.COM.BR> Subject: Fourth Power All around the world we are subjected to 3 or 4 huge news distributors, and one of them - as you well know - is CNN. Very well, I guess all of you have been seeing (just as I've been) images from this company. In particular, one set of images called my attencion: the Palestinians celebrating the bombing, out on the streets, eating some cake and making funny faces for the camera. Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait! It's simply unacceptable that a super-power of cumminications as CNN uses images which do not correspond to the reality in talking about so serious an issue. A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes recorded in 1991, with the very same images; he's been sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major TV network in Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself classify as a crime against the public opinion. If anyone of you has access to this kind of files, search for it. In the meanwhile, I'll try to 'put my hands' on a copy of this tape. But now, think for a moment about the impact of such images. Your people is hurt, emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have very high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage against Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to show images such as those. ____________ ------- End of forwarded message ------- De Balie Kleine gartmanplantsoen 10 1017 RR Amsterdam t 020 55 35 151 f 020 55 35 155 e lucas.evers@balie.nl ______________________________________________________ * Verspreid via nettime-nl. Commercieel gebruik niet * toegestaan zonder toestemming. <nettime-nl> is een * open en ongemodereerde mailinglist over net-kritiek. * Meer info, archief & anderstalige edities: * http://www.nettime.org/. * Contact: Menno Grootveld (rabotnik@xs4all.nl). ==============End of original message text===========
On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Borchers, Mark wrote:
doing. I do not think the people we saw dancing in the streets on the news were typical Arab citizens.
You might find this very interesting:
This my friend is total POS. The news is timestamped. The ITN's news was time stamped. So was BBC's. So tell your friend to grow a brain. Alex
From: "Marcio A. V. de Carvalho" <marcio.carv@UOL.COM.BR> Subject: Fourth Power
All around the world we are subjected to 3 or 4 huge news distributors, and one of them - as you well know - is CNN. Very well, I guess all of you have been seeing (just as I've been) images from this company.
In particular, one set of images called my attencion: the Palestinians celebrating the bombing, out on the streets, eating some cake and making funny faces for the camera.
Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait! It's simply unacceptable that a super-power of cumminications as CNN uses images which do not correspond to the reality in talking about so serious an issue.
A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes recorded in 1991, with the very same images; he's been sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major TV network in Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself classify as a crime against the public opinion. If anyone of you has access to this kind of files, search for it.
In the meanwhile, I'll try to 'put my hands' on a copy of this tape. But now, think for a moment about the impact of such images. Your people is hurt, emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have very high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage against Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to show images such as those.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34346,00.html The Palestinian Authority has warned journalists they might be in danger if they continue to use images of Arabs celebrating Tuesday's terrorist attacks ..... If it was old footage, I don't think Palestinian Authoritie's response was the same.. Alex Avtsin Network Engineer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Greenwell" <patrick@cybernothing.org> To: "Borchers, Mark" <mborchers@splitrock.net> Cc: "'Los, Ralph'" <rlos@EnvestNet.com>; "'Dmitri Krioukov'" <dima@krioukov.net>; "'Arman Khalili'" <arman@unitedlayer.com>; <nanog@merit.edu> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:22 PM Subject: RE: Yes it's off topic but who cares right now.
On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Borchers, Mark wrote:
doing. I do not think the people we saw dancing in the streets on the news were typical Arab citizens.
You might find this very interesting:
From: "Marcio A. V. de Carvalho" <marcio.carv@UOL.COM.BR> Subject: Fourth Power
All around the world we are subjected to 3 or 4 huge news distributors, and one of them - as you well know - is CNN. Very well, I guess all of you have been seeing (just as I've been) images from this company.
In particular, one set of images called my attencion: the Palestinians celebrating the bombing, out on the streets, eating some cake and making funny faces for the camera.
Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait! It's simply unacceptable that a super-power of cumminications as CNN uses images which do not correspond to the reality in talking about so serious an issue.
A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes recorded in 1991, with the very same images; he's been sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major TV network in Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself classify as a crime against the public opinion. If anyone of you has access to this kind of files, search for it.
In the meanwhile, I'll try to 'put my hands' on a copy of this tape. But now, think for a moment about the impact of such images. Your people is hurt, emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have very high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage against Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to show images such as those.
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On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Borchers, Mark wrote:
I do not think the people we saw dancing in the streets on the news were typical Arab citizens.
They were not. The thugs dancing in the streets during the LA riots were not typical US citizens, either. -Dan -- [-] Omae no subete no kichi wa ore no mono da. [-]
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