RE: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited
WorldNIC will setup a domain without an email address using a bogus worldnic.com email address if the owner of the domain wishes to keep his email address private. This is a practice all registrars should consider. And, since WorldNIC is another face of NSI, it would seem that this practice is well within their acceptable guidelines. Some ISPs also hide the true phone number by using a phone line at their facilities. And others use Contact records that point to the ISP for Admin, Billing and Technical contacts on domains they register. These are very large registrars and they do get their domains registered without any hassles from NSI. Since snail mail is costly and not very cost effective, hiding the true data from NSI will reduce the SPAM the domain owner receives as most companies won't go the extra expense. WorldNIC is utilizing the database for marketing purposes which is something the old guard at NSI was totally against any ISP doing and in fact insisted on an agreement to those terms before giving us ftp passwords to pull down the .zone files. -=Mike Reno=- Hostmaster, EarthLink Network At 01:00 PM 11/16/98 -0500, you wrote:
No. That's not really a valid comparison. You have a choice about which credit card company you deal with. Network Solutions is spamming you based on information you are required to provide to them. If you refuse to provide them with the info, you get no domain registration. Cute, eh?
C
Chris Mauritz Director, Systems Administration Rare Medium, Inc. chrism@raremedium.com
Mike Reno wrote:
WorldNIC will setup a domain without an email address using a bogus worldnic.com email address if the owner of the domain wishes to keep his email address private. This is a practice all registrars should consider. And, since WorldNIC is another face of NSI, it would seem that this practice is well within their acceptable guidelines.
Some ISPs also hide the true phone number by using a phone line at their facilities.
No. I think this is an extremely *bad* idea. I don't argue that the issue of spam needs to be dealt with. But the registration of data like email addresses and phone numbers is critical from an operational point of view. These are needed when conatct has to be made because of an operational failure. The purpose of whois data has become corrupt and corrupted over the last couple of years, but we can't lose sight of it. If you can solve the problem of accurate contact data for operational failures, fine. Until then, the data has to be accurate, and useful. Not bogus. /rlj CenterGate Research LLC
On Mon, Nov 16, 1998 at 11:16:45AM -0800, Mike Reno wrote:
WorldNIC will setup a domain without an email address using a bogus worldnic.com email address if the owner of the domain wishes to keep his email address private. This is a practice all registrars should consider. And, since WorldNIC is another face of NSI, it would seem that this practice is well within their acceptable guidelines.
I'll tell you something. If it's NetSol's policy to make bogus Worldnic.com addresses available for domain registration, and as a result I can't complain to the WHOIS contacts because of an incident of net-abuse, I am going to be on the phone to NetSol very quickly, and I am going to complain loudly and repeatedly. If the WorldNIC addresses forward somewhere, that's ok.
WorldNIC is utilizing the database for marketing purposes which is something the old guard at NSI was totally against any ISP doing and in fact insisted on an agreement to those terms before giving us ftp passwords to pull down the .zone files.
Of course. -- Steve Sobol [sjsobol@nacs.net] Part-time Support Droid [support@nacs.net] NACS Spaminator [abuse@nacs.net] Spotted on a bumper sticker: "Possum. The other white meat."
It seems to be the same email address each time. Something along the lines of nosuchemail@worldnic.com I would suspect it is read by someone on their staff unless it aliases over to /dev/null. Try going thru the process of registering a domain on the worldnic.com site and you will see that both the email address and fax number are optional. -=Mike Reno=- At 06:24 PM 11/16/98 -0500, you wrote:
On Mon, Nov 16, 1998 at 11:16:45AM -0800, Mike Reno wrote:
WorldNIC will setup a domain without an email address using a bogus worldnic.com email address if the owner of the domain wishes to keep his email address private. This is a practice all registrars should consider. And, since WorldNIC is another face of NSI, it would seem that this practice is well within their acceptable guidelines.
I'll tell you something.
If it's NetSol's policy to make bogus Worldnic.com addresses available for domain registration, and as a result I can't complain to the WHOIS contacts because of an incident of net-abuse, I am going to be on the phone to NetSol very quickly, and I am going to complain loudly and repeatedly.
If the WorldNIC addresses forward somewhere, that's ok.
WorldNIC is utilizing the database for marketing purposes which is something the old guard at NSI was totally against any ISP doing and in fact insisted on an agreement to those terms before giving us ftp passwords to pull down the .zone files.
Of course.
-- Steve Sobol [sjsobol@nacs.net] Part-time Support Droid [support@nacs.net] NACS Spaminator [abuse@nacs.net]
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On Mon, Nov 16, 1998 at 05:45:19PM +0000, Mike Reno wrote:
It seems to be the same email address each time. Something along the lines of nosuchemail@worldnic.com I would suspect it is read by someone on their staff unless it aliases over to /dev/null. Try going thru the process of registering a domain on the worldnic.com site and you will see that both the email address and fax number are optional.
A fax number isn't essential. Neither the email address nor the phone number should be optional, although even with current InterNIC registrations the validity of such information isn't checked. A certain backbone... ok, Sprint... :) had a bunch of ARIN and InterNIC contacts listed with bogus e-mail addys and phone numbers as recently as a year ago. Not sure if they still do. -- Steve Sobol [sjsobol@nacs.net] Part-time Support Droid [support@nacs.net] NACS Spaminator [abuse@nacs.net] Spotted on a bumper sticker: "Possum. The other white meat."
At 11:16 11/16/98 -0800, you wrote:
WorldNIC will setup a domain without an email address using a bogus worldnic.com email address if the owner of the domain wishes to keep his email address private. This is a practice all registrars should consider. And, since WorldNIC is another face of NSI, it would seem that this practice is well within their acceptable guidelines.
Too bad that it's also a violation of the Domain Registration Agreement v4.0: K. Warranty. Registrant warrants by submitting this Registration Agreement that, to the best of Registrant's knowledge and belief, the information submitted herein is true and correct, and that any future changes to this information will be provided to NSI in a timely manner according to the domain name modification procedures in place at that time. Breach of this warranty will constitute a material breach. L. Revocation. Registrant agrees that NSI may delete a Registrant's domain name if this Registration Agreement, or subsequent modification(s) thereto, contains false or misleading information, or conceals or omits any information NSI would likely consider material to its decision to approve this Registration Agreement.
WorldNIC is utilizing the database for marketing purposes which is something the old guard at NSI was totally against any ISP doing and in fact insisted on an agreement to those terms before giving us ftp passwords to pull down the .zone files.
Of course. NSI expects you to uphold YOUR end of the deal, but will not uphold THEIR end of the deal. Go read their SEC filings and you'll see their long term plan all spelled out. In that plan, they specifically plan to use their database of registration information for marketing and delivery purposes. Spammers should be investigated by Ken Starr! Dean Robb PC-EASY computer services (757) 495-EASY [3279]
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