better lay coverage in al jazeera http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2009/07/2009730775992910.html randy
Randy Bush wrote:
better lay coverage in al jazeera
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2009/07/2009730775992910.html
Thanks, Randy. Making this more on-topic, the map show many hops down. How can a single cut affect more than 1 hop, those on either side of the cut? Surely, for a major investment like this, both ends have peers with others?
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2009/07/2009730775992910.html Surely, for a major investment like this, both ends have peers with others?
never actually looked at the problems of african networking, have you? randy
On a somewhat old thread, Randy Bush wrote:
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2009/07/2009730775992910.html Surely, for a major investment like this, both ends have peers with others?
never actually looked at the problems of african networking, have you?
Not in a long time. My memory is that SAT-3 was supposed to be a nice cooperative effort funded by the nations themselves, rather than an outside investor. With cooperation, I'd have expected good peering. But my query isn't about politics, it's operational. By the map in the article, the termini are Spain and Portugal on one end, and South Africa on the other. Surely, a single break wouldn't affect both ends.... And the landings to Benin and Nigeria seem to be different (at least they have different numbers), so that's probably the break (between them). With peering on each end, traffic should just run each direction to the world....
William Allen Simpson wrote:
By the map in the article, the termini are Spain and Portugal on one end, and South Africa on the other. Surely, a single break wouldn't affect both ends....
A week later article by the BBC says it didn't. Rather, the Benin branch has the break. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8176014.stm "The rest of the system is unaffected by this fault," a Telkom South Africa representative said.
And the landings to Benin and Nigeria seem to be different (at least they have different numbers), so that's probably the break (between them).
The Nigerian telco Nitel hasn't paid its dues, so its branch has been shut off, and most of Nigeria runs through Benin. Apparently, there is peering, and Benin is currently running "through neighbouring countries...." Sounds like this happenstance will provide motivation for more peering and cooperation.
On 08/08/2009 18:09, William Allen Simpson wrote:
Not in a long time. My memory is that SAT-3 was supposed to be a nice cooperative effort funded by the nations themselves, rather than an outside investor. With cooperation, I'd have expected good peering.
Indeed, it is a co-operative affair owned by several of the incumbent telcos along the route, and one suspects that they engage in all of the sort of benevolent, community-focussed behaviour that you'd expect from incumbents. On a more serious note, and peering / interconnection arrangements aside, the cable fault indicates a critical lack of resilience on the west coast of africa. Nick
Nick Hilliard wrote:
On 08/08/2009 18:09, William Allen Simpson wrote:
Not in a long time. My memory is that SAT-3 was supposed to be a nice cooperative effort funded by the nations themselves, rather than an outside investor. With cooperation, I'd have expected good peering.
Indeed, it is a co-operative affair owned by several of the incumbent telcos along the route, and one suspects that they engage in all of the sort of benevolent, community-focussed behaviour that you'd expect from incumbents.
Oh, neither of us are talking about benevolence. If you and I have a joint venture, then I'd expect we'd have no problem with interconnection.
On a more serious note, and peering / interconnection arrangements aside, the cable fault indicates a critical lack of resilience on the west coast of africa.
True. Does NANOG have an outreach and construction program? If not, it's probably not on-topic....
Does NANOG have an outreach and construction program?
yes. informally, a fair number of nanogians have spent the last few decades doing tech transfer to the developing economies, including helping start sister groups such as afnog. nanog participates with arin in a bursary to bring engineers from developing economies to nanog and arin meetings. etc. sorry this so poorly publicized that you did not know. randy
above link, and routing, at transport, there is a tld effort as well. Randy Bush wrote:
Does NANOG have an outreach and construction program?
yes. informally, a fair number of nanogians have spent the last few decades doing tech transfer to the developing economies, including helping start sister groups such as afnog. nanog participates with arin in a bursary to bring engineers from developing economies to nanog and arin meetings. etc.
sorry this so poorly publicized that you did not know.
randy
Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
above link, and routing, at transport, there is a tld effort as well.
Randy Bush wrote:
yes. informally, a fair number of nanogians have spent the last few decades doing tech transfer to the developing economies, including helping start sister groups such as afnog. nanog participates with arin in a bursary to bring engineers from developing economies to nanog and arin meetings. etc.
sorry this so poorly publicized that you did not know.
It's not, and I cannot find it on our NANOG website. As you may remember, I'd helped with more formal outreach and instruction via ISoc (mid-'90s), but had not heard of the same by NANOG.
OTOH, I've rarely attended any NANOG meeting outside Michigan, and we've not had one here for many years. There's one coming up in October that I'm looking forward to attending (time and finances allowing). What exactly is NANOG doing do help interconnect West Africa? Moreover, what NANOG member financing assistance to Nitel paying its fees, so that its link would be restored?
On that note, folks might want to see http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/10/business/global/10cable.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/10/business/global/10cable.html
if seacom completes, and it is looking likely (yay!), this will be great. but Alan Mauldin, research director at TeleGeography, a telecommunications market research company, said Africa was the last major area where broadband access was not widespread. try much of the pacific islands, central asia (the stans), myanmar, much of india, laos, cambodia, and large swaths of northern china and the middle of russia. and i am sticking to places with non-sparse population. americans are a bit naive about the rest of the world. randy
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:49:51PM +0900, Randy Bush wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/10/business/global/10cable.html
if seacom completes, and it is looking likely (yay!), this will be great. but
Alan Mauldin, research director at TeleGeography, a telecommunications market research company, said Africa was the last major area where broadband access was not widespread.
try much of the pacific islands, central asia (the stans), myanmar, much of india, laos, cambodia, and large swaths of northern china and the middle of russia. and i am sticking to places with non-sparse population.
americans are a bit naive about the rest of the world.
randy
clearly Alan's whole point rests on the interpretation of the two words -major- and -area-... and no, we will not stoop to using the US definition of broadband. --bill
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
americans are a bit naive about the rest of the world
Not the Americans who provided a large chunk of capital and are managing SEACOM. Short summary: The operator is anticipating that South Africa and Kenya alone are going to utilize 85% of the capacity. The design capacity of the cable (The maximum saleable amount of bandwidth) is 1.28 Tb/s. The rest of the capacity is within reach of oil and some Francophone countries. Tata is buying capacity on the Mumbai to Djibouti leg which will interconnect them to both EASSY and SEACOM. EASSY and SEACOM are sharing landing stations in a few high value locations. All very commercial and not so uncommon. The only question I have is a context switch. Why Mogadishu? Do the (sea) pirates need more capacity to manage their ship hijacking business? Best Regards, Martin -- Martin Hannigan martin@theicelandguy.com p: +16178216079 Power, Network, and Costs Consulting for Iceland Datacenters and Occupants
On 11/08/2009 00:24, Martin Hannigan wrote:
The only question I have is a context switch. Why Mogadishu? Do the (sea) pirates need more capacity to manage their ship hijacking business?
The indications are that Somalia has been improving over the past year or two. If this continues, then it may have a reconstructive capacity to grow which other countries don't. Nick
Martin Hannigan wrote:
The only question I have is a context switch. Why Mogadishu? Do the (sea) pirates need more capacity to manage their ship hijacking business?
Because ethiopia is the effectively land-locked economic power in the neighborhood and it needs diverse landing sites. Also I think Mogadishu is off the table for the moment.
Best Regards,
Martin
[Followups set to futures as organization discussion.] On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 08:13:55AM -0400, William Allen Simpson wrote:
Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
above link, and routing, at transport, there is a tld effort as well.
Randy Bush wrote:
yes. informally, a fair number of nanogians have spent the last few decades doing tech transfer to the developing economies, including helping start sister groups such as afnog. nanog participates with arin in a bursary to bring engineers from developing economies to nanog and arin meetings. etc.
sorry this so poorly publicized that you did not know.
It's not, and I cannot find it on our NANOG website. As you may remember, I'd helped with more formal outreach and instruction via ISoc (mid-'90s), but had not heard of the same by NANOG.
It currently goes by the somewhat confusing moniker of a scholarship, right there on the pull-downs on every page of the site. The Postel Network Operator's Scholarship does get promoted widely and applicants are sought from other ops communities across the globe. Unfortunately for those not plugged into the physical meetings, it hasn't actually been promoted on nanog-announce, etc in the past. That will definitely get rectified. Cheers, Joe -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE
In other news, Nigerian Scams at an all time low this morning/afternoon. ;) ________________________________ From: Randy Bush [mailto:randy@psg.com] Sent: Thu 7/30/2009 4:10 AM To: North American Network Operators Group; AfNOG Subject: sat-3 cut? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8176014.stm
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Warren Bailey<wbailey@gci.com> wrote:
In other news, Nigerian Scams at an all time low this morning/afternoon.
Since some time ago I've been getting them through .cn sites and new variants like "I won the $500K Toyota Bingo" ?? ... can't believe that still some people fall for the scam. Cheers Jorge
Jorge Amodio wrote:
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Warren Bailey<wbailey@gci.com> wrote:
In other news, Nigerian Scams at an all time low this morning/afternoon.
Since some time ago I've been getting them through .cn sites and new variants like "I won the $500K Toyota Bingo" ?? ... can't believe that still some people fall for the scam.
Cheers Jorge
According to some quick fuzzy math(*), there will be 410,121 new suckers joining the net today. [*] http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm
I wonder how long it will take to get a ship there ... Regards, Roderick S. Beck Director of European Sales Hibernia Atlantic -----Original Message----- From: Randy Bush [mailto:randy@psg.com] Sent: Thu 7/30/2009 1:10 PM To: North American Network Operators Group; AfNOG Subject: sat-3 cut? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8176014.stm
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