Do the merit servers have a habit of dropping some messages? I sent a message this morning that never made it to the list: May 22 08:41:03 cpu1693 postfix/qmgr[9876]: 6AC4D17030: from=<ralph@istop.com>,size=1108, nrcpt=1 (queue active) May 22 08:41:04 cpu1693 postfix/smtp[5066]: 6AC4D17030: to=<nanog@merit.edu>, relay=mail.merit.edu[198.108.1.41], delay=1, status=sent (250 Ok: queued as 653EA5DD9A) Ralph Doncaster principal, IStop.com div. of Doncaster Consulting Inc.
I've gotten at least 5 messages from you on this list today... On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 10:28:06AM -0400, Ralph Doncaster wrote:
Do the merit servers have a habit of dropping some messages?
I sent a message this morning that never made it to the list:
May 22 08:41:03 cpu1693 postfix/qmgr[9876]: 6AC4D17030: from=<ralph@istop.com>,size=1108, nrcpt=1 (queue active) May 22 08:41:04 cpu1693 postfix/smtp[5066]: 6AC4D17030: to=<nanog@merit.edu>, relay=mail.merit.edu[198.108.1.41], delay=1, status=sent (250 Ok: queued as 653EA5DD9A)
Ralph Doncaster principal, IStop.com div. of Doncaster Consulting Inc.
On Wed, 22 May 2002, Jeffrey Meltzer wrote:
I've gotten at least 5 messages from you on this list today...
Yeah, maybe NANOG implemented WFQ... Andy xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Andy Dills 301-682-9972 Xecunet, LLC www.xecu.net xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Dialup * Webhosting * E-Commerce * High-Speed Access
On Wed, 22 May 2002, Andy Dills wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2002, Jeffrey Meltzer wrote:
I've gotten at least 5 messages from you on this list today...
Yeah, maybe NANOG implemented WFQ...
Further tests seem to indicate that every message posted to the list is read/approved by a human. http://ns.istop.com/~ralph/censored.txt -Ralph
On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 11:14:19AM -0400, Ralph Doncaster wrote:
Further tests seem to indicate that every message posted to the list is read/approved by a human. http://ns.istop.com/~ralph/censored.txt
It's not realtime censored (since my emails get through quite quickly, and if Merit is actually hiring people to censor NANOG 24/7 someone needs to reevaluate their funding), but I have seen censoring in the past which is almost comical in nature, for example the "Sexual Harassment" filter. Best be careful, the PC police are coming for you. -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)
It's not realtime censored (since my emails get through quite quickly, and if Merit is actually hiring people to censor NANOG 24/7 someone needs to reevaluate their funding), but I have seen censoring in the past which is almost comical in nature, for example the "Sexual Harassment" filter.
So there's a netnanny-like bot that looks for "bad words" and filters the posts?
Best be careful, the PC police are coming for you.
If the US succeeds in assymilating Canada as the 53rd state, I could avoid the Merkans by moving to Cuba. ;-) -Ralph
On Wed, 22 May 2002, Ralph Doncaster wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2002, Andy Dills wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2002, Jeffrey Meltzer wrote:
I've gotten at least 5 messages from you on this list today...
Yeah, maybe NANOG implemented WFQ...
Further tests seem to indicate that every message posted to the list is read/approved by a human. http://ns.istop.com/~ralph/censored.txt
I dunno, if you really want to have this debate, I don't see why it's unreasonable for the list parents to not want rampant cursing. If you ask me, I think that this is analagous to the situation where some guy gets rejected at a job interview because he "doesn't have a degree", which is in truth just an excuse. I'm not saying that the people on this list don't like you, I'm just saying that if you keep posting about CPU utilization when using linux for routing and about how cisco sucks, in a very frequent manner, it will make small idiosyncracies such as cursing stand out that much more. Andy xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Andy Dills 301-682-9972 Xecunet, LLC www.xecu.net xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Dialup * Webhosting * E-Commerce * High-Speed Access
I dunno, if you really want to have this debate, I don't see why it's unreasonable for the list parents to not want rampant cursing.
In my travels to the southeast US, I found there are still people there who consider it inappropriate for a white woman to date a black man. I would hope that all on this list understand how illogical that is. To me it seems just as illogical to say it's inapproprate to use one word over another, when they both have the same meaning.
I'm not saying that the people on this list don't like you, I'm just saying that if you keep posting about CPU utilization when using linux for routing and about how cisco sucks, in a very frequent manner, it will make small idiosyncracies such as cursing stand out that much more.
From the number of personal replies I got about these topics, it seems
Lots of people don't like me, and I like it that way. Saves me a lot nuisance from people who might think you're their friend. like many people are interested in sharing information about how to do routing on a budget, or how to avoid getting shot in the foot with your Cisco box. I thought my posts were far more technical and relevant to network operation than the marketing hype being spewed by some others. However, if the consensus is my posts are off-topic, I'll happily shut up wait to be told what are accpetable topics. -Ralph
> Lots of people don't like me, and I like it that way. Congratulations, you've added one more to your tally. Please post again when you've got something related to network operations to say. Or if you just feel like whining, take it to inet-access so we don't have to hear it. -Bill
On Wed, 22 May 2002, Ralph Doncaster wrote:
I dunno, if you really want to have this debate, I don't see why it's unreasonable for the list parents to not want rampant cursing.
In my travels to the southeast US, I found there are still people there who consider it inappropriate for a white woman to date a black man. I would hope that all on this list understand how illogical that is. To me it seems just as illogical to say it's inapproprate to use one word over another, when they both have the same meaning.
Come on, I curse like George Carlin but I don't to it in front of customers. Are you telling me there is no such thing as appropriate behavior in a public forum? I understand your argument. But the point is, this is somebody elses sandbox we're playing in. Calm down and play nice, or you'll have people trying to kick you out.
I'm not saying that the people on this list don't like you, I'm just saying that if you keep posting about CPU utilization when using linux for routing and about how cisco sucks, in a very frequent manner, it will make small idiosyncracies such as cursing stand out that much more.
Lots of people don't like me, and I like it that way. Saves me a lot nuisance from people who might think you're their friend.
Speaking of logic, that's an interesting way of putting things.
From the number of personal replies I got about these topics, it seems like many people are interested in sharing information about how to do routing on a budget, or how to avoid getting shot in the foot with your Cisco box.
Routing on a budget? Dude, you can buy a 7200 for $2 grand. Why bother with a linux box? Heh, at least use FreeBSD :)
I thought my posts were far more technical and relevant to network operation than the marketing hype being spewed by some others. However, if the consensus is my posts are off-topic, I'll happily shut up wait to be told what are accpetable topics.
I don't think they're off topic. But other people do. YMMV. HTH. Andy xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Andy Dills 301-682-9972 Xecunet, LLC www.xecu.net xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Dialup * Webhosting * E-Commerce * High-Speed Access
andy and others who don't have the will or technology to plonk this clue-free troll, could you at least please not feed it? thanks. randy
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:22:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy Dills <andy@xecu.net> To: Ralph Doncaster <ralph@istop.com> Cc: "nanog@merit.edu" <nanog@merit.edu> Subject: Re: list problems?
On Wed, 22 May 2002, Ralph Doncaster wrote:
blah blah blah
On Wed, 22 May 2002, Andy Dills wrote:
From the number of personal replies I got about these topics, it seems like many people are interested in sharing information about how to do routing on a budget, or how to avoid getting shot in the foot with your Cisco box.
Routing on a budget? Dude, you can buy a 7200 for $2 grand. Why bother with a linux box? Heh, at least use FreeBSD :)
Before the dot com implosion, they weren't nearly that inexpensive. The average corporate user will also need smartnet (what's that on a 7200, a K or a few per year?) for support, warranty, and software updates. Some people just don't appreciate being nickled and dimed by cisco and forced to either buy much more router than they need, or risk ending up with another cisco boat anchor router when the platform they chose can no longer do the job in the limited memory config supported. I have a consulting customer who, against my strong recommendation, bought a non-cisco router to multihome with. It's PC based, runs Linux, and with the exception of the gated BGP issue that bit everyone running gated a few months ago, has worked just fine. It's not as easy to work with in most cases, but there are some definite advantages, and some things that Linux actually makes easier. They'd initially bought a 2621 when multihoming was just a thought, and by the time it was a reality, 64mb on a 2621 couldn't handle full routes. The C&W/PSI depeering (which did affect this customer, as they were single homed to C&W at the time and did regular business with networks single homed to PSI) was proof that without full routes, you're not really multihomed. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis *jlewis@lewis.org*| I route System Administrator | therefore you are Atlantic Net | _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
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