Odd policy question.
Maybe not such an odd question; Anywhoo, we have quite a few people who register our IP addresses as nameservers, and then never delete the records. I don't suppose there is any way that we can delete these old records, we have appealed to multiple registrars such as godaddy, enom, and the like to remove these bogus NS records from our IP space which keep our new customers from using these IP addresses for hosting but they claim that we have no grounds even though we are the legitimate 'keepers' of said IP space. This is mainly a problem for customers who use software such as cPanel which likes to always make NS records automatically, and customers almost never remove these at their registrar. Any thoughts? -Drew
Maybe not such an odd question; Anywhoo, we have quite a few people who register our IP addresses as nameservers, and then never delete the records. I don't suppose there is any way that we can delete these old records, we have appealed to multiple registrars such as godaddy, enom, and the like to remove these bogus NS records from our IP space which keep our new customers from using these IP addresses for hosting but they claim that we have no grounds even though we are the legitimate 'keepers' of said IP space. This is mainly a problem for customers who use software such as cPanel which likes to always make NS records automatically, and customers almost never remove these at their registrar.
in named.conf zone "2.96.192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "primary/bogus.ia"; }; in the zone file * PTR some.schmuck.lame.delegated.to.RAIN.PSG.COM. or zone "someschmuck.com" { type master; file "primary/bogus.fwd"; }; and @ MX 0 some.schmuck.lame.delegated.to.RAIN.PSG.COM. * MX 0 some.schmuck.lame.delegated.to.RAIN.PSG.COM.
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Randy Bush wrote:
Maybe not such an odd question; Anywhoo, we have quite a few people who register our IP addresses as nameservers, and then never delete the records. I don't suppose there is any way that we can delete these old records, we have appealed to multiple registrars such as godaddy, enom, and the like to remove these bogus NS records from our IP space which keep our new customers from using these IP addresses for hosting but they claim that we have no grounds even though we are the legitimate 'keepers' of said IP space. This is mainly a problem for customers who use software such as cPanel which likes to always make NS records automatically, and customers almost never remove these at their registrar.
in named.conf
zone "2.96.192.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "primary/bogus.ia"; };
in the zone file
* PTR some.schmuck.lame.delegated.to.RAIN.PSG.COM.
or
zone "someschmuck.com" { type master; file "primary/bogus.fwd"; };
and
@ MX 0 some.schmuck.lame.delegated.to.RAIN.PSG.COM. * MX 0 some.schmuck.lame.delegated.to.RAIN.PSG.COM.
Don't forget: www IN CNAME goatse.cx ;-] Chris -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Owen ~ Garden City (620) 275-1900 ~ Lottery (noun): President ~ Wichita (316) 858-3000 ~ A stupidity tax Hubris Communications Inc ~ www.hubris.net ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 08:32 -1000, Randy Bush wrote:
Don't forget: www IN CNAME goatse.cx
and don't forget the terminating dot on goatse.cx.
but this did cause me to update those trapper zone files and bump the serials. last time the serials had been bumped since 1995. so you had the suggestion of a decade. mahalo.
Ouch. So you are going to punish the rest of the world for the mistakes of a few people (however annoying it is). /me just cannot imagine explaining this to my mother when she mis-types some URL. Granted that what your (former-) customers did was not any sort of best practice, but I think your "solution" is a little too extreme.
randy -- Christopher McCrory "The^W One of the guys that keeps the servers running"
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On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 08:32 -1000, Randy Bush wrote:
Don't forget: www IN CNAME goatse.cx
and don't forget the terminating dot on goatse.cx.
but this did cause me to update those trapper zone files and bump the serials. last time the serials had been bumped since 1995. so you had the suggestion of a decade. mahalo.
Ouch. So you are going to punish the rest of the world for the mistakes of a few people (however annoying it is).
/me just cannot imagine explaining this to my mother when she mis-types some URL.
I'm not sure you realize how big this problem is. It's a nuisance problem, like having cockroaches. I heard something nasty about goatse.cx, but I checked www and I got: The registrar name servers have not been configured properly ..and nothing bad. I do think it's better to put up the page locally though.
Granted that what your (former-) customers did was not any sort of best practice, but I think your "solution" is a little too extreme.
Wow. I wish I was seeing what you are seeing. Is it good? -M<
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Martin Hannigan wrote:
I heard something nasty about goatse.cx, but I checked www and I got:
The registrar name servers have not been configured properly
..and nothing bad. I do think it's better to put up the page locally though.
Granted that what your (former-) customers did was not any sort of best practice, but I think your "solution" is a little too extreme.
Wow. I wish I was seeing what you are seeing. Is it good?
Well my post was really in jest. goatse.cx hasn't existed for years. If you really want to know what was there (and you really don't) just do a quick search for goatse. I'm sure there is a Wikipedia entry for it. However, the point of my post that it really is a dumb idea for someone to point their domain at your domain name servers if they aren't a customer. You really do gain much control over the domain in such a situation. Chris -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Owen ~ Garden City (620) 275-1900 ~ Lottery (noun): President ~ Wichita (316) 858-3000 ~ A stupidity tax Hubris Communications Inc ~ www.hubris.net ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
we have appealed to multiple registrars such as godaddy, enom, and the like to remove these bogus NS records from our IP space which keep our new customers from using these IP addresses for hosting but they claim that we have no grounds even though we are the legitimate 'keepers' of said IP space.
This is a relatively straightforward issue. The registrars operate according to ICANN policies. Your legitimacy as a keeper of the IP address space descends from ICANN through IANA. Either the registrar is in violation of ICANN policy by not cleaning these NS records, or, the registrar is acting in accordance with ICANN policy. You need to find out which is true and then pester ICANN to either police the registars or fix their broken policy. I suspect that this is something that is not explicit in the ICANN registrar agreements but is implied by some general clause about the wellbeing of the Internet. In that case ICANN would have to issue an interpretation of the situation, pointing out to registrars that cleaning stale NS records is, in fact, part of their ICANN agreement. http://www.icann.org is the place to go. --Michael Dillon
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