Re: APC Matrix 5000 question(s)
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006, Michael J Wise wrote:
On Jul 27, 2006, at 5:10 AM, Ray Van Dolson wrote:
In any case, give APC support a holler.
Definitely.
I'm always nervous doing any sort of maintenance on our Symmetra.
The Symmetra is a completely different animal from the 5000, though. I <3 the Symmetra.
Oh yes, one more point... best to check the 5000's battery packs for heat and bulging, as some of the packs may be about to vent the Hot Sauce, and cleaning that up is always "Fun". Aloha mai Nai`a! -- "Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/
Update: I replaced the batteries today, and indeed, several of the old ones (mostly in the first pack) were split and some had popped a couple of their "sealed" tops. I left for several hours and came back to the house stinking like burning rubber. The new batteries are apparently melting the terminal rubber insulation. I had to throw it back into bypass mode and unplug that pack (the only one with new batteries!) Any ideas to the cause? The status screens looked ok. ("no bad batteries" again) James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am =========================================================================
up@3.am writes:
I left for several hours and came back to the house stinking like burning rubber. The new batteries are apparently melting the terminal rubber insulation. I had to throw it back into bypass mode and unplug that pack (the only one with new batteries!)
By "terminal rubber insulation" do you mean the insulation on the lugs that bolt to the terminals on the batteries? If so, this is a sign that you either didn't clean the contacts or didn't bolt them together firmly. Those batteries need to be initially charged, and they draw a lot of current when doing that... which heats up any kind of high resistance connection in the chain.
Any ideas to the cause? The status screens looked ok. ("no bad batteries" again)
By the way, you probably ought to replace all the batteries in all your packs regardless of what the battery status monitor says. ---Rob
--On July 28, 2006 9:33:59 AM -0400 "Robert E.Seastrom" <rs@seastrom.com> wrote:
up@3.am writes:
I left for several hours and came back to the house stinking like burning rubber. The new batteries are apparently melting the terminal rubber insulation. I had to throw it back into bypass mode and unplug that pack (the only one with new batteries!)
By "terminal rubber insulation" do you mean the insulation on the lugs that bolt to the terminals on the batteries? If so, this is a sign that you either didn't clean the contacts or didn't bolt them together firmly. Those batteries need to be initially charged, and they draw a lot of current when doing that... which heats up any kind of high resistance connection in the chain.
Any ideas to the cause? The status screens looked ok. ("no bad batteries" again)
By the way, you probably ought to replace all the batteries in all your packs regardless of what the battery status monitor says.
---Rob
Yeah my other thought here was that one or more of the other packs had totally dead shorted cells, that'd cause excessive heating on the other batteries too.
up@3.am wrote:
Update: I replaced the batteries today, and indeed, several of the old ones (mostly in the first pack) were split and some had popped a couple of their "sealed" tops.
I left for several hours and came back to the house stinking like burning rubber. The new batteries are apparently melting the terminal rubber insulation. I had to throw it back into bypass mode and unplug that pack (the only one with new batteries!)
Any ideas to the cause? The status screens looked ok. ("no bad batteries" again)
Tip: Except where a newly supplied battery is faulty, replace all or none - across all your packs connected to the same UPS. / Mat
On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Matthew Sullivan wrote:
up@3.am wrote:
Update: I replaced the batteries today, and indeed, several of the old ones (mostly in the first pack) were split and some had popped a couple of their "sealed" tops.
I left for several hours and came back to the house stinking like burning rubber. The new batteries are apparently melting the terminal rubber insulation. I had to throw it back into bypass mode and unplug that pack (the only one with new batteries!)
Any ideas to the cause? The status screens looked ok. ("no bad batteries" again)
Tip: Except where a newly supplied battery is faulty, replace all or none - across all your packs connected to the same UPS.
Understood...that's why I unplugged the other 2 XR packs from the UPS. APC rejected the notion that there was a controller problem, until they had me perform the battery test, when it not only cut power (batteries were fried anyway), it stayed in test mode until bypassed. According to them, even with dead batteries, it should come out within 5-10 seconds. James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am =========================================================================
Can't you guys take this off-list? I'm seeing this thread gatewayed on *another* mailing list also. Somehow, APC battery maintenance doesn't seem like a critical topic (unlike for example, internet pipe cleaning day) ^) Joe McGuckin ViaNet Communications joe@via.net 650-207-0372 cell 650-213-1302 office 650-969-2124 fax On Aug 2, 2006, at 6:34 AM, up@3.am wrote:
On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Matthew Sullivan wrote:
up@3.am wrote:
Update: I replaced the batteries today, and indeed, several of the old ones (mostly in the first pack) were split and some had popped a couple of their "sealed" tops.
I left for several hours and came back to the house stinking like burning rubber. The new batteries are apparently melting the terminal rubber insulation. I had to throw it back into bypass mode and unplug that pack (the only one with new batteries!)
Any ideas to the cause? The status screens looked ok. ("no bad batteries" again)
Tip: Except where a newly supplied battery is faulty, replace all or none - across all your packs connected to the same UPS.
Understood...that's why I unplugged the other 2 XR packs from the UPS. APC rejected the notion that there was a controller problem, until they had me perform the battery test, when it not only cut power (batteries were fried anyway), it stayed in test mode until bypassed. According to them, even with dead batteries, it should come out within 5-10 seconds.
James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am ====================================================================== ===
pipecleaners? http://www.ppsa-online.com/about-pigs.php#UTILITY%20PIGS do they make one for Internet Pipes? --bill On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 05:59:29PM -0700, joe mcguckin wrote:
Can't you guys take this off-list? I'm seeing this thread gatewayed on *another* mailing list also.
Somehow, APC battery maintenance doesn't seem like a critical topic (unlike for example, internet pipe cleaning day) ^)
Joe McGuckin ViaNet Communications
joe@via.net 650-207-0372 cell 650-213-1302 office 650-969-2124 fax
On Aug 2, 2006, at 6:34 AM, up@3.am wrote:
On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Matthew Sullivan wrote:
up@3.am wrote:
Update: I replaced the batteries today, and indeed, several of the old ones (mostly in the first pack) were split and some had popped a couple of their "sealed" tops.
I left for several hours and came back to the house stinking like burning rubber. The new batteries are apparently melting the terminal rubber insulation. I had to throw it back into bypass mode and unplug that pack (the only one with new batteries!)
Any ideas to the cause? The status screens looked ok. ("no bad batteries" again)
Tip: Except where a newly supplied battery is faulty, replace all or none - across all your packs connected to the same UPS.
Understood...that's why I unplugged the other 2 XR packs from the UPS. APC rejected the notion that there was a controller problem, until they had me perform the battery test, when it not only cut power (batteries were fried anyway), it stayed in test mode until bypassed. According to them, even with dead batteries, it should come out within 5-10 seconds.
James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am ====================================================================== ===
I need a Spam Pig... -Mike On 8/2/06, bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com <bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com> wrote:
pipecleaners?
http://www.ppsa-online.com/about-pigs.php#UTILITY%20PIGS
do they make one for Internet Pipes?
--bill
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 05:59:29PM -0700, joe mcguckin wrote:
Can't you guys take this off-list? I'm seeing this thread gatewayed on *another* mailing list also.
Somehow, APC battery maintenance doesn't seem like a critical topic (unlike for example, internet pipe cleaning day) ^)
Joe McGuckin ViaNet Communications
joe@via.net 650-207-0372 cell 650-213-1302 office 650-969-2124 fax
On Aug 2, 2006, at 6:34 AM, up@3.am wrote:
On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Matthew Sullivan wrote:
up@3.am wrote:
Update: I replaced the batteries today, and indeed, several of the old ones (mostly in the first pack) were split and some had popped a couple of their "sealed" tops.
I left for several hours and came back to the house stinking like burning rubber. The new batteries are apparently melting the terminal rubber insulation. I had to throw it back into bypass mode and unplug that pack (the only one with new batteries!)
Any ideas to the cause? The status screens looked ok. ("no bad batteries" again)
Tip: Except where a newly supplied battery is faulty, replace all or none - across all your packs connected to the same UPS.
Understood...that's why I unplugged the other 2 XR packs from the UPS. APC rejected the notion that there was a controller problem, until they had me perform the battery test, when it not only cut power (batteries were fried anyway), it stayed in test mode until bypassed. According to them, even with dead batteries, it should come out within 5-10 seconds.
James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am ====================================================================== ===
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