[sabri@bofh sabri]$ whois -h whois.apnic.net 172.21.3.168 % Rights restricted by copyright. See http://www.apnic.net/db/dbcopyright.html % (whois6.apnic.net) inetnum: 172.21.3.168 - 172.21.3.199 netname: DSB-KR (I heared about this via IRC so credits for discovery go somewhere else :) -- Sabri Berisha "I route, therefore you are" ~ my own opinions etc ~ Join Megabit LAN in open air! http://www.megabit.nl
On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Sabri Berisha wrote:
Mind explaining exactly what your discovery is, for those of us without mind reading abilities? Andy xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Andy Dills 301-682-9972 Xecunet, LLC www.xecu.net xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Dialup * Webhosting * E-Commerce * High-Speed Access
3. Private Address Space The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) has reserved the following three blocks of the IP address space for private internets: 10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255 (10/8 prefix) 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 (172.16/12 prefix) 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 (192.168/16 prefix) Someone has done an Apnic registration for rfc1918 private IP space. What this has to do with solving spam problems is still a mystery to me...unless someone is suggesting spammers (or perhaps all of Korea) should be assigned non-routable IP space. On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Andy Dills wrote:
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On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 jlewis@lewis.org wrote:
My first thought when seeing that was "cool, no more trouble with open relays in .kr". -- Sabri Berisha "I route, therefore you are" ~ my own opinions etc ~ Join Megabit LAN in open air! http://www.megabit.nl
On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 jlewis@lewis.org wrote:
Well, it *would* solve a *lot* of problems! :-) -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------
...unless someone is suggesting spammers (or perhaps all of Korea) should be assigned non-routable IP space.
Funny you should mention that. I got so fed up with both the US spam bouncing off Korean relays and the parallel flood of spam originating in Korea (in Korean, with URLs advertising Korean stuff ranging from appliances to dating services to bionic shoe inserts), combined with the fact that I'd never gotten any response to the buckets of abuse reports I'd sent off to Korean ISPs, that I stopped accepting any mail from Korea at all. I know it's indefensible in principle, but even though I have books in Korean translation, I get no real mail from Korea so the collateral damage is for me is imperceptible. The rejection message includes a URL which explains why I don't receive mail from Korea, with an unblocked address to which one can write to get their network off the list. Needless to say, nobody's written. The list contains all APNIC space assigned to Korea, plus any Korean ARIN space that's come to my attention due to getting spammed from it. If you'd like to experiment with a Korea-free mail system, you're welcome to use my blocking list called korea.services.net. I announced it on a few anti-spam lists last week and it's now getting about three hits per second. You can't do zone transfers, it's running rbldns, not bind, but if you use it a lot, we can figure out a way for you to get your own copy of the data. In case it's not obvious, I have nothing against Korea or Koreans except that their enthusiasm for wiring the country for Internet connections has so far severely outstripped their ability to manage what they've built. -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail
On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 10:07:59PM -0500, johnl@iecc.com said: [snip]
It's not indefensible (I assume this policy applies to you personally, and is not being applied to your customers). I arrived at the same conclusion some time back, and just modified my procmail setup so that any mail originating from .kr that hadn't already been caught by one of my list filters got sent to /dev/null. No defense is really necessary - it's your mail, and you don't have to accept anything from anybody you don't want to. And you certainly don't have to justify it to anybody. (regardless of fumings from the pro-open relay crowd out there ...)
I like that feature; I'll have to incorporate it into my own setup. That takes a bit of the B out of my (admittedly) BOFH setup. :)
space assigned to Korea, plus any Korean ARIN space that's come to my attention due to getting spammed from it.
I like this too - filtering on IP as opposed to domains listed in mail headers would be much more effective.
Since it's just for me personally, I probably will just look and learn. :)
Clue will eventually trickle there as well. -- Scott Francis darkuncle@ [home:] d a r k u n c l e . n e t Systems/Network Manager sfrancis@ [work:] t o n o s . c o m GPG public key 0xCB33CCA7 illum oportet crescere me autem minui
"solutions to the Koran spam problem" ^^^^^ <tongue in cheek> ok.. let's not blame EVERYTHING on muslims </tongue in cheek> marc
On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 jlewis@lewis.org wrote:
Someone has done an Apnic registration for rfc1918 private IP space.
Close - the object in question appears to be in the KRNIC database, which is one of the databases that you can search through the APNIC Whois server; it is not an object in the APNIC database. As it doesn't seem to be in the KRNIC database (as served by KRNIC) any longer, the object should vanish from whois.APNIC.net with the next mirror update. Much ado over nothing, IMHO. --==-- Bruce.
participants (8)
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Andy Dills
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Bruce Campbell
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jlewis@lewis.org
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johnl@iecc.com
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Marc Bejarano
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measl@mfn.org
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Sabri Berisha
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Scott Francis