That whois stuff is meaningless. When are people going to get it that it really isn't a "hack".
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Jon R. Kibler Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:36 PM To: Elijah Savage Cc: Brandon Galbraith; nanog@nanog.org; Steven M. Bellovin Subject: Re: Amazon?
I am currently in the DC area. It appears that Amazon came up about 20 minutes ago.
UPDATE:
Diligent Reader Corwin Grey points out:
"Amazon may be having more than a 'little' trouble. :/ Check out their whois:
Server Name: AMAZON.COM.IS.N0T.AS.1337.AS.WWW.GULLI.COM IP Address: 80.190.192.24 Registrar: KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH Whois Server: whois.rrpproxy.net Referral URL: http://www.key-systems.net
<snip>"
Now, amazon.com looks OK from a whois lookup at www.internic.net (record points to Network Solutions) and from a Network Solutions whois lookup. But, it looks like we've got some whois database hijinks out there for some of
SANS ISC has a little info on the problem. Quoting from http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?n&storyid=1625 : the whois servers and the www.amazon.com info.
Reader Sean points out that these gulli folks do this kind
of thing a lot to sites like Amazon.com, Microsoft, and others, and these whois hijinks are likely independent of the back-end problems that Amazon.com appears to be having. I agree.
I just now checked, and they seem to be back up... so,
intermittent problem fixed? For now... It's not the end of the world.
--Ed Skoudis Intelguardians
Elijah Savage wrote:
Thats strange I am not having any issues at all and I have tested it from 3 different peering points.
----- Original Message ----- From: Brandon Galbraith <brandon.galbraith@gmail.com> To: Steven M. Bellovin <smb@cs.columbia.edu> Cc: Jon R. Kibler <Jon.Kibler@aset.com>, nanog@nanog.org Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 3:42:21 PM GMT-0500 Subject: Re: Amazon?
Intermittent application/load balancer issues perhaps?
-brandon
On 8/21/06, *Steven M. Bellovin* <smb@cs.columbia.edu <mailto:smb@cs.columbia.edu>> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:21:40 -0400, "Jon R. Kibler" < Jon.Kibler@aset.com <mailto:Jon.Kibler@aset.com>> wrote:
> Hi, > > Anyone know what is up with Amazon? They appear to be down. > > Doesn't appear to be a network issue... tried from two different ISP's networks. > That's odd. When I try from one path, I get the same error you get; when I try another, it works. A tcptraceroute shows that both are ending up at the same IP address at Amazon, too.
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006, Joseph Jackson wrote:
That whois stuff is meaningless. When are people going to get it that it really isn't a "hack".
color me embarassed for sans/isc-handler-on-duty that they didn't point out that these are not in anyway linked to 'amazon the company' so not relevant to the 'problem' amazon may or may-not have had. :(
SANS ISC has a little info on the problem. Quoting from http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?n&storyid=1625 :
Christopher L. Morrow wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006, Joseph Jackson wrote:
That whois stuff is meaningless. When are people going to get it that it really isn't a "hack".
color me embarassed for sans/isc-handler-on-duty that they didn't point out that these are not in anyway linked to 'amazon the company' so not relevant to the 'problem' amazon may or may-not have had. :(
Uh, that is what I get for trying to do 25 things at once. I should have looked at it more closely before ever forwarding it to NANOG! I also guess that ISC realized their bad, because that has now been deleted from their diary! I promise to read more carefully before reposting something!! Sorry :( Jon Kibler -- Jon R. Kibler Chief Technical Officer Advanced Systems Engineering Technology, Inc. Charleston, SC USA (843) 849-8214 ================================================== Filtered by: TRUSTEM.COM's Email Filtering Service http://www.trustem.com/ No Spam. No Viruses. Just Good Clean Email.
color me embarassed for sans/isc-handler-on-duty that they didn't point out that these are not in anyway linked to 'amazon the company' so not relevant to the 'problem' amazon may or may-not have had. :(
Um, haven't said anything in a while, but what the heck... I think all of us who've been around a while realize that even organizations with really good technical clue levels don't evenly disseminate that clue level as more folks are brought on board. In fact, as organizations get bigger the range of clue level seems to broaden, not necessarily in the upward direction. While NANOG has been pretty quiet of late, we see fewer and fewer technical-operational issues and many more political/structural-operational issues as the number of NOs in NA become fewer and more mature. This is as it should be, but I think those of us who are technical enough to know the differences regarding (say:) WHOIS lose touch with how funny and odd this internet stuff is for people used to the Web being a ubiquitous business tool for the last 6+ years. Meaning, plenty of businesses get "real" information about their competitors, suppliers and the world from the Internet. (e.g. Directions, physical locations, customer satisfaction reports, ratings, hours of operations, actual capabilities, number of employees, real officers, marketing information, nature of the services provided and how, what's going on with traffic, who is having a sale, where the best place to buy a shoe-horn is in SoHo) Its only the operations of the Internet itself that have very little faith in the information the Internet provides (traceroutes, FOCs, LOAs, capacity, diversity, POCs/contact information, spamming data, IP databases, RBLs, reviews, RFOs, etc). Maybe I'm finally a gray beard... but I am sure its not even interesting to point out the delta in clue level between newbies and some of the folks who've been on here for as long as I have. Perhaps something along the lines of, "You know, I'm sure better information will come out via xxx venue in a few hours, but it does seem to be back up." Though in this specific case I am not sure that's possible... just an observation. So to ensure that this is operational content. "Clueful operational reporting data does NOT scale with the size of the reporting organization NOR the size of the client population." Deepak
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