RE: UUNET Pulling Peering Agreements & replacing them with charging under non-disclosure?
Well said! Gee, you mean that this *is* really a business?? Best regards, David Van Allen - You Tools Corporation / FASTNET(tm) dave@fast.net (610) 289-1100 http://www.fast.net FASTNET - PA/NJ/DE Internet Solutions
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Balbach [SMTP:stephen@clark.net] Sent: Friday, May 02, 1997 6:43 AM To: Gordon Cook Cc: nanog@merit.edu; inet-access@earth.com; dave@oldcolo.com Subject: Re: UUNET Pulling Peering Agreements & replacing them with charging under non-disclosure?
First it was AGIS (but who cares about AGIS?). Now UUNET. Tomorrow who? MCI? As UUNET and others of the big five move to consolidate their markets.......... let UUNET put the smaller national backbones against the wall and whom do the rest of ISP's have to rely on? Those ISPs who did not get hit in UUNET's first round of cuts. Will you get it in the neck in the second or the third round?
The only thing UUNET is cutting is Internet trees, and there are some who are protesting by hugging them. Clear out the chaff for next seasons crops.
Buying connectivity from an ISP who peers with UUNET, or buying direct from UUNET, is a lot cheaper then building a national DS-3/OC-3 backbone and trying to be default free - this is not about UUNET cuting throats, it's about large and small ISP's examining thier business model.
.stb
when they clean out all the competing backbones what is to prevent thenm from doubling and then tripling your charges Dave? ************************************************************************ The COOK Report on Internet For subsc. pricing & more than 431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 USA ten megabytes of free material (609) 882-2572 (phone & fax) visit http://cookreport.com/ Internet: cook@cookreport.com On line speech of critics under attack by Ewing NJ School Board, go to http://cookreport.com/sboard.shtml ************************************************************************ On Fri, 2 May 1997, Dave Van Allen wrote:
Well said!
Gee, you mean that this *is* really a business??
Best regards,
David Van Allen - You Tools Corporation / FASTNET(tm) dave@fast.net (610) 289-1100 http://www.fast.net FASTNET - PA/NJ/DE Internet Solutions
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Balbach [SMTP:stephen@clark.net] Sent: Friday, May 02, 1997 6:43 AM To: Gordon Cook Cc: nanog@merit.edu; inet-access@earth.com; dave@oldcolo.com Subject: Re: UUNET Pulling Peering Agreements & replacing them with charging under non-disclosure?
First it was AGIS (but who cares about AGIS?). Now UUNET. Tomorrow who? MCI? As UUNET and others of the big five move to consolidate their markets.......... let UUNET put the smaller national backbones against the wall and whom do the rest of ISP's have to rely on? Those ISPs who did not get hit in UUNET's first round of cuts. Will you get it in the neck in the second or the third round?
The only thing UUNET is cutting is Internet trees, and there are some who are protesting by hugging them. Clear out the chaff for next seasons crops.
Buying connectivity from an ISP who peers with UUNET, or buying direct from UUNET, is a lot cheaper then building a national DS-3/OC-3 backbone and trying to be default free - this is not about UUNET cuting throats, it's about large and small ISP's examining thier business model.
.stb
On Fri, 2 May 1997, Gordon Cook wrote:
when they clean out all the competing backbones what is to prevent thenm from doubling and then tripling your charges Dave?
That is a strawman question. An attempt to answer this would concede Mr. Cooks assumptions that have yet to be, and can't be, proven. .stb
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On Fri, 2 May 1997, Dave Van Allen wrote:
Well said!
Gee, you mean that this *is* really a business??
Best regards,
David Van Allen - You Tools Corporation / FASTNET(tm) dave@fast.net (610) 289-1100 http://www.fast.net FASTNET - PA/NJ/DE Internet Solutions
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Balbach [SMTP:stephen@clark.net] Sent: Friday, May 02, 1997 6:43 AM To: Gordon Cook Cc: nanog@merit.edu; inet-access@earth.com; dave@oldcolo.com Subject: Re: UUNET Pulling Peering Agreements & replacing them with charging under non-disclosure?
First it was AGIS (but who cares about AGIS?). Now UUNET. Tomorrow who? MCI? As UUNET and others of the big five move to consolidate their markets.......... let UUNET put the smaller national backbones against the wall and whom do the rest of ISP's have to rely on? Those ISPs who did not get hit in UUNET's first round of cuts. Will you get it in the neck in the second or the third round?
The only thing UUNET is cutting is Internet trees, and there are some who are protesting by hugging them. Clear out the chaff for next seasons crops.
Buying connectivity from an ISP who peers with UUNET, or buying direct from UUNET, is a lot cheaper then building a national DS-3/OC-3 backbone and trying to be default free - this is not about UUNET cuting throats, it's about large and small ISP's examining thier business model.
.stb
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