New IANA allocations to RIPE NCC
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greetings, This is to inform you that the IANA has allocated the following sixteen (16) IPv6 /23 blocks to RIPE NCC: 2001:1C00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:1E00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2000::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2200::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2400::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2600::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2800::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2A00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2C00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2E00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3000::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3200::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3400::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3600::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3800::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3A00::/23 RIPE NCC For a full list of IANA IPv6 allocations please see: <http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-tla-assignments> Thanks, John L Crain IANA ================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0 - not licensed for commercial use: www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBQJvtIdGxp5XUiliSEQLaagCg0Y/pRQcTAnlsRjzfQU2fKzNSW9oAn37X UGz4VQHBrGD23aFqYYyXo7JX =2oTv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Why so many ip6 blocks at once? Its not that I'm worrried about us running out of ip space for ip6 :) but is ripe really using ip6 20 times more then rest of the world? On Fri, 7 May 2004, John L Crain wrote:
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Greetings,
This is to inform you that the IANA has allocated the following sixteen (16) IPv6 /23 blocks to RIPE NCC:
2001:1C00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:1E00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2000::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2200::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2400::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2600::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2800::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2A00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2C00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2E00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3000::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3200::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3400::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3600::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3800::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3A00::/23 RIPE NCC
For a full list of IANA IPv6 allocations please see: <http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-tla-assignments>
Thanks,
John L Crain IANA
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-- William Leibzon Elan Networks william@elan.net
On Fri, 7 May 2004, william(at)elan.net wrote:
Why so many ip6 blocks at once?
There were some things brought up at this weeks ripe meeting, i cant find the references tho, perhaps someone else will answer this.
Its not that I'm worrried about us running out of ip space for ip6 :) but is ripe really using ip6 20 times more then rest of the world?
A lot more: RIPE: 332; APNIC: 153; ARIN: 95; LACNIC 6 .. out of 586 assignments http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mem-services/registration/ipv6/ipv6allocs.html Steve
On Fri, 7 May 2004, John L Crain wrote:
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Greetings,
This is to inform you that the IANA has allocated the following sixteen (16) IPv6 /23 blocks to RIPE NCC:
2001:1C00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:1E00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2000::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2200::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2400::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2600::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2800::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2A00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2C00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2E00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3000::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3200::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3400::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3600::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3800::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3A00::/23 RIPE NCC
For a full list of IANA IPv6 allocations please see: <http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-tla-assignments>
Thanks,
John L Crain IANA
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2004-05-08, at 00.36, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:
Why so many ip6 blocks at once?
There were some things brought up at this weeks ripe meeting, i cant find the references tho, perhaps someone else will answer this.
There are a few very big IPv6 request in the queue at RIPE. - - kurtis - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBQJyt06arNKXTPFCVEQJYAgCguBv6kJGgqr8KEcMdb6TRY7ILQscAoK4I d7urY5atnHjon2u4KNgSbT41 =mMeU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 8-mei-04, at 1:18, william(at)elan.net wrote:
Why so many ip6 blocks at once?
The RIPE NCC gives out /32s to ISPs, but they actually reserve a /29. This means they have to get a new /23 for every 64 ISPs that request v6 space. I imagine this gets old fast after a while. :-) What I don't get is that they made it 16 /23s rather than one /19. (And staying on 4 bit boundaries would also seem like a slightly more obvious choice.)
but is ripe really using ip6 20 times more then rest of the world?
Not 20 times obviously... But the ARIN region does very little v6, while in Europe there are many more small ISPs than in Asia, which leads to a larger number of assignments/allocations.
On Sat, 8 May 2004, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
On 8-mei-04, at 1:18, william(at)elan.net wrote:
Why so many ip6 blocks at once?
The RIPE NCC gives out /32s to ISPs, but they actually reserve a /29. This means they have to get a new /23 for every 64 ISPs that request v6 space. I imagine this gets old fast after a while. :-)
I imagine so, but the question is are they growing so fast with new ip6 allocations. As I understand there are about 3500 LIRs/members at RIPE. Given that each /23 is enough for 64 members and they have just received 16 of these, that would make it enough space for 1024 ISPs/LIRs/members. Since IANA assigns ip blocks based on RIR need for next year that makes it appear that RIPE is expecting that 1/3 of its LIRs would request and start using IP6 within next year. I personally question these expectations given current still slow growth of ip6.
What I don't get is that they made it 16 /23s rather than one /19. (And staying on 4 bit boundaries would also seem like a slightly more obvious choice.)
IANA seems to continue same practice with IPv6 as it does with IPv4. If you remember just this month RIPE got 85/8, 86/8, 87/8, 88/8 from IANA. Since these are 4 /8s were we expecting to see this as /6 and be on correct boundary? Well - not really as its now how IANA is doing allocations. Unlike RIRs that actually do give out /16, /19, /20, /21, etc, IANA does it always in quantities of its smallest RIR allocation unit, which is /8 for IPv4 and /23 for IPv6, it does seem that they try to keep allocations to same RIR in consequence allowing in the future to consider it to be one larger ip space block (/4 if RIPE gets all space from 80/8 to 95/8 and that appears to be quite likely possibility for the future).
but is ripe really using ip6 20 times more then rest of the world?
Not 20 times obviously... But the ARIN region does very little v6, while in Europe there are many more small ISPs than in Asia, which leads to a larger number of assignments/allocations.
My understanding is that they have made twice as many ip6 allocations as rest of the world combined! That is very impressive indeed!!! But its still not enough reason for them to have received more then 10 times ip6 space from IANA as rest of the RIRs combined... -- William Leibzon Elan Networks william@elan.net
On Sat, 2004-05-08 at 03:30, william(at)elan.net wrote:
My understanding is that they have made twice as many ip6 allocations as rest of the world combined! That is very impressive indeed!!! But its still not enough reason for them to have received more then 10 times ip6 space from IANA as rest of the RIRs combined...
Hmmm.. what about massive amount of IPV4 space assigned to the small piece of earth's landmass called USA....?
On Sat, 8 May 2004, Bastiaan Spandaw wrote:
On Sat, 2004-05-08 at 03:30, william(at)elan.net wrote:
My understanding is that they have made twice as many ip6 allocations as rest of the world combined! That is very impressive indeed!!! But its still not enough reason for them to have received more then 10 times ip6 space from IANA as rest of the RIRs combined...
Hmmm.. what about massive amount of IPV4 space assigned to the small piece of earth's landmass called USA....?
Exactly my point!!! We don't want IANA to be repeating now same thing as was done early in the internet with assignments of legacy /8 and /16s. P.S. For IPv4 I've been working on additional graphical statistics info that lists general amount of space assigned to ISPs/organizations on per country basis and separates it all based on assignments done in what I consider to be 3 main IR assignment periods (legacy iana direct - up to around 1993/1994, early-IR - up to 1997/1998 and modern RIRs after that). Additionally there would be two sepratepages, one that includes IANA /8 direct assignments (which I must say completely changes the picture) and one that does not include that. If I have time I might actually finish this over the weekend. -- William Leibzon Elan Networks william@elan.net
On Sat, 2004-05-08 at 04:07, william(at)elan.net wrote:
On Sat, 8 May 2004, Bastiaan Spandaw wrote:
On Sat, 2004-05-08 at 03:30, william(at)elan.net wrote:
My understanding is that they have made twice as many ip6 allocations as rest of the world combined! That is very impressive indeed!!! But its still not enough reason for them to have received more then 10 times ip6 space from IANA as rest of the RIRs combined...
Hmmm.. what about massive amount of IPV4 space assigned to the small piece of earth's landmass called USA....?
Exactly my point!!! We don't want IANA to be repeating now same thing as was done early in the internet with assignments of legacy /8 and /16s.
Except that comparing RIPE/IPV6 assignment to the early days of V4 assignment is comparing apples to pears... Even today; Getting IP space (or an ASN) from ARIN is x times more easy than from RIPE. ps not that I blame RIPE. I'm dutch, so I cherish being cheap/not-wastefull
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2004-05-08, at 03.30, william(at)elan.net wrote:
I imagine so, but the question is are they growing so fast with new ip6 allocations. As I understand there are about 3500 LIRs/members at RIPE. Given that each /23 is enough for 64 members and they have just received 16 of these, that would make it enough space for 1024 ISPs/LIRs/members. Since IANA assigns ip blocks based on RIR need for next year that makes it appear that RIPE is expecting that 1/3 of its LIRs would request and start using IP6 within next year. I personally question these expectations given current still slow growth of ip6.
A /32 is only enough for 65536 customers. There are people that have way much more users than that and that are actually planning to use their allocations. That's the scary part... - - kurtis - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBQJyuYKarNKXTPFCVEQJmtwCfdz7oJQzgq1lA9UFgkTGW9/xPv0AAoJA7 zBl4t+XAVfqKUXdXwET97SmI =t2dB -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Sat, 2004-05-08 at 03:30, william(at)elan.net wrote:
On Sat, 8 May 2004, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
On 8-mei-04, at 1:18, william(at)elan.net wrote:
but is ripe really using ip6 20 times more then rest of the world?
Not 20 times obviously... But the ARIN region does very little v6, while in Europe there are many more small ISPs than in Asia, which leads to a larger number of assignments/allocations.
My understanding is that they have made twice as many ip6 allocations as rest of the world combined! That is very impressive indeed!!! But its still not enough reason for them to have received more then 10 times ip6 space from IANA as rest of the RIRs combined...
See http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/tla/ for the big list(tm) containing per country stats (includes 6bone). Growth stats at http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/growth/ for lazy people: At the moment of writing a total of 731 TLA's*: RIPE: 332 allocated, 200 (60.24%) announced, 1 returned APNIC: 150 allocated, 99 (66.00%) announced ARIN: 90 allocated, 39 (43.33%) announced LACNIC: 14 allocated, 2 (14.29%) announced 6BONE: 144 allocated, 107 (74.31%) announced, 19 returned Notez bien that the US does have 26 6bone allocations that are going away per 6/6/6. Of the 105 allocations, including the 6bone's, only 55 are visible in the global routing table. Germany has 41 visible entries by itself. Even the Netherlands already has 27 visible allocations. * = Top Level Allocations, thus from RIR to LIR, normal allocations are also given from LIR's to sub-LIR's. Might I add that I am wondering why the US is sticking so far behind? :) I heared that for instance Abilene does IPv6, but do they have any users? Having never seen any traffic stats, except for iperfs generated ones, nor any other visible usage is quite ehmm lazy I guess, so come on wake up! Greets, Jeroen
On Fri, 7 May 2004, william(at)elan.net wrote:
Why so many ip6 blocks at once?
Its not that I'm worrried about us running out of ip space for ip6 :) but is ripe really using ip6 20 times more then rest of the world?
Not 20 times more (AFAIK), but Europe is using IPv6 much more than anyone else. --Ariel
On Fri, 7 May 2004, John L Crain wrote:
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Greetings,
This is to inform you that the IANA has allocated the following sixteen (16) IPv6 /23 blocks to RIPE NCC:
2001:1C00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:1E00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2000::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2200::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2400::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2600::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2800::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2A00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2C00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2E00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3000::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3200::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3400::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3600::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3800::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3A00::/23 RIPE NCC
For a full list of IANA IPv6 allocations please see: <http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-tla-assignments>
Thanks,
John L Crain IANA
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Also FYI - I noticed this message was actually signed (PGP) and I believe that may be first iana announcement message that was, thank you !!! P.S. Of course its also notable that it says "Version: PGP 8.0 - not licensed for commercial use". I kind of wonder if use by IANA or ICANN is considered commercial or not... But I guess if organization is dedicated to being non-commercial that might be OK, but is ICANN really like that? (Note: don't answer that last part, this "question" is on topic for completely different forum...) On Fri, 7 May 2004, John L Crain wrote:
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Greetings,
This is to inform you that the IANA has allocated the following sixteen (16) IPv6 /23 blocks to RIPE NCC:
2001:1C00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:1E00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2000::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2200::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2400::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2600::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2800::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2A00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2C00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:2E00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3000::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3200::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3400::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3600::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3800::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:3A00::/23 RIPE NCC
For a full list of IANA IPv6 allocations please see: <http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-tla-assignments>
Thanks,
John L Crain IANA
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 7 May 2004, william(at)elan.net wrote:
Also FYI - I noticed this message was actually signed (PGP) and I believe that may be first iana announcement message that was, thank you !!!
Certainly not the first, but I agree with the community feedback we've received that PGP signing these messages is useful, although I also agree with Pekka that its usefulness needs to be taken in context.
P.S. Of course its also notable that it says "Version: PGP 8.0 - not licensed for commercial use".
Why is that notable?
I kind of wonder if use by IANA or ICANN is considered commercial or not... But I guess if organization is dedicated to being non-commercial that might be OK, but is ICANN really like that?
ICANN is organized as a not for profit corporation. As for the question of the size of the allocation, it's not appropriate for IANA to comment on how RIPE plans to use the block, but I will say that they justified their request appropriately. The allocation was done in /23 chunks because that's what the current allocation model is. The RIRs, IANA, and the IAB are currently in discussion about what a more rational IPv6 allocation policy should look like, given that we're moving out of the "experimental" phase of deployment. Last but not least, the question of why we allocate IPv4 in /8 chunks is answered by the new global IPv4 allocation policy, agreed to by IANA and passed in the policy forum stage by all 4 RIRs. You can find a copy at http://www.ripe.net/ripe/draft-documents/iana-rir-allocation-policies.html. It will move out of "draft" status once it's fully ratified by the ICANN ASO, but IANA has agreed to use the policy now as a sign of good faith in our dealings with the RIRs. Hope this helps, Doug - -- Doug Barton General Manager, Internet Assigned Numbers Authority -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAnLSWwtDPyTesBYwRAne4AJ0Rvv5NldNaQqkQk8Erc2AoRfLDhgCeIRyi qoCOvUJRzE77u4WSqkNr5AI= =vmPW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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Ariel Biener -
Bastiaan Spandaw -
bmanning＠vacation.karoshi.com -
Doug Barton -
Iljitsch van Beijnum -
Jeroen Massar -
John L Crain -
Kurt Erik Lindqvist -
Stephen J. Wilcox -
william(at)elan.net