Exodus Files Chapter 11
It finally happened... too bad. http://www.marketwatch.com/news/yhoo/story.asp?source=blq/yhoo&siteid=yhoo&dist=yhoo&guid=%7B82C41C39%2D7D36%2D41A6%2D885C%2D2D2C6DF3F666%7D ===== - -Andy Ellifson - __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Andy Ellifson wrote:
It finally happened... too bad.
Yes. But what does this mean to the network world? I dont think very much. Last I checked, AS_174 is still up and running. And I highly doubt anyone is going to go and turn the datacenters off tomorrow... Remember, this is Chapter 11 and not Chapter 7. If it was Chapter 7, I would be more worried. From the news stories I have read, Exodus had a lot of debt. I think they are going Chapter11 to get rid of that dept. Airlines have done this in the past..... as have other companies. Not all make it but some come out of it in the end... Christian --------- i am me, i dont write/speak for them
On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 03:35:48PM -0700, Christian Nielsen wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Andy Ellifson wrote:
It finally happened... too bad.
Yes. But what does this mean to the network world? I dont think very much. Last I checked, AS_174 is still up and running. And I highly doubt anyone is going to go and turn the datacenters off tomorrow... Remember, this is Chapter 11 and not Chapter 7. If it was Chapter 7, I would be more worried. From the news stories I have read, Exodus had a lot of debt. I think they are going Chapter11 to get rid of that dept.
Airlines have done this in the past..... as have other companies. Not all make it but some come out of it in the end...
Christian ---------
i am me, i dont write/speak for them
Well, I would suggest that it may mean that certain customers will be looking for other solutions, certain network links might also be severed making it somewhat more difficult to get reliable connectivity to the various locations within Exodus, and yet more geeks may be living in cardboard boxes before the year is out. Lets not forget that globalcrossing (who already laid off 13,000 people a couple of months ago), as a result of the sale of globalcenter to exodus has a 20% stake in that company. Their stock is now worthless. They also had contracts (which will no doubt be renegotiated) as part of the sale to provide Exodus with at least 50% (if I remember correctly) of their connectivity. No doubt the bankruptcy will cause that company some considerable consternation which could adversely affect their end of the year results meaning yet MORE geeks could be living in cardboard boxes before the year is out. Don't think that financial matters don't impact the network in some ways. If companies of these sizes are struggling, what does that mean for AT&T, Sprint, and WorldCom? If various people decide they are losing money on their backbones, they might be more inclined to oversell it, meaning more congestion and more packetloss overall until the business climate improves. Perhaps they'll delay upgrading that overworked router in chicago or boston. Maybe they'll decide that the engineers don't really need a full 8 hours of sleep and will allow certain problems to persist instead of correcting them in a timely fashion. Who knows what people will be willing to do to cut costs. Deffinitely food for thought. -Wayne --- Wayne Bouchard web@typo.org Network Engineer http://www.typo.org/~web/resume.html
Yesterday, Wayne Bouchard, a former employee of Global Crossing, posted erroneous, misleading, wholly inaccurate information about the state of Global Crossing and its finances.
Lets not forget that globalcrossing (who already laid off 13,000 people a couple of months ago)
Global Crossing currently employs approximately 11,000 employees. This summer, in an effort to cut costs and streamline our organizational structure, Global Crossing laid-off less than 2,000 employees.
No doubt the bankruptcy will cause that company some considerable consternation which could adversely affect their end of the year results meaning yet MORE geeks could be living in cardboard boxes before the year is out.
Global Crossing has already recovered 100% of the bandwidth loss across our network realized by the extrication of Global Center traffic from our backbone. In no way does the financial outlook of Global Crossing and its network rely on Exodus. Our revenue streams continue to grow at a steady clip, our quarterly earnings report continue to reflect an EBIDTA-positive organization, and each day we sign up more and more customers, large and small, who utilize our 101,000+ route-mile global fiber optic network. Our network build was fully funded. With the sale of Frontier Communications by Global Crossing to Citizens Communications, Global Crossing was able to pay down more than 50% of its long-term debt. Global Crossing is in sound financial shape. Its long-term financial outlook is bright, our customers are happy, and we'll be here running one of the world's largest and fastest fiber optic networks long after many of our competitors close their doors. /david *--------------------------------* | Global Crossing API | | Manager, Global IP Addressing | | (703) 627-5800 | | huberman@gblx.net | *--------------------------------*
Yesterday, Wayne Bouchard, a former employee of Global Crossing, posted erroneous, misleading, wholly inaccurate information about the state of Global Crossing and its finances.
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Global Crossing is in sound financial shape. Its long-term financial outlook is bright, our customers are happy, and we'll be here running one of the world's largest and fastest fiber optic networks long after many of our competitors close their doors.
http://edgar.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1061322/000095013001503918/d10q.txt Alex
On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:11:38 -0400 (EDT) alex@yuriev.com wrote:
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Global Crossing is in sound financial shape. Its long-term financial outlook is bright, our customers are happy, and we'll be here running one of the world's largest and fastest fiber optic networks long after many of our competitors close their doors.
http://edgar.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1061322/000095013001503918/d10q.txt
Alex; I would be interested in hearing your commentary on said 10Q. It appears to me that David Huberman is right in saying GBLX is EBITDA positive at this point and they seem to have sufficient money in the bank going forward. On the other other hand, I find *LEC Income statements so confusing and I suspect you would not have posted the link to this 10Q if you didn't see something that would imply that David is misstating the facts. Sooo, where is your beef with David's statements regarding Global Crossing's fiscal health? I am not trying to challenge you but have a strong personal interest in this topic :) regards, feltcher
I am glad to hear such good news. However, I suggest you have your statement reviewed by the company legal team. I know the SEC would be interested on this seeming official statement from glbx. Roy Engehausen David R Huberman wrote:
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In no way does the financial outlook of Global Crossing and its network rely on Exodus. Our revenue streams continue to grow at a steady clip, our quarterly earnings report continue to reflect an EBIDTA-positive organization, and each day we sign up more and more customers, large and small, who utilize our 101,000+ route-mile global fiber optic network.
Our network build was fully funded. With the sale of Frontier Communications by Global Crossing to Citizens Communications, Global Crossing was able to pay down more than 50% of its long-term debt.
Global Crossing is in sound financial shape. Its long-term financial outlook is bright, our customers are happy, and we'll be here running one of the world's largest and fastest fiber optic networks long after many of our competitors close their doors.
/david
*--------------------------------* | Global Crossing API | | Manager, Global IP Addressing | | (703) 627-5800 | | huberman@gblx.net | *--------------------------------*
Hi, In order to settle any questions and to make clear my position, I am posting the following reply to David Huberman's message. First off, let me say that in no way were my statements intended as a negative against globalcrossing. I merely refferenced the company as a close associate of Exodus and, as a 20% shareholder in addition to other terms of the globalcenter sale as published by various sources, including globalcrossings own press releases that, for the time being, globalcrossing and exodus maintain a close relationship. I do not believe I implied (or at least I did not intend to) that globalcrossing relied on exodus for its future, just that exodus had considerable and not unimportant dealings with globalcrossing. I generaly have a positive outlook for the future of globalcrossing and know its technical staff is capable and qualified for the work they do. On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 09:53:50AM -0700, David R Huberman wrote:
Yesterday, Wayne Bouchard, a former employee of Global Crossing, posted erroneous, misleading, wholly inaccurate information about the state of Global Crossing and its finances.
(For the record, it has been just shy of two full years since I left globalcrossing. I left on good terms and still maintain a friendly relationship with many who work there.) To clarify globalcrossing's financial position, I refer you to the financial statements indicating globalcrossing losing billions of dollars each year with no projected positive pro-forma earnings for some time to come. This does not suggest they are in imminent danger of folding. It simply states that, although they do have good revenue streams and a farily diverse client base not just in the US but also in other parts of the globe, they have yet to turn a profit. As a 20% shareholder in exodus, the decline in exodus' stock means that globalcrossing has fewer resources to draw upon than it did before, should something unexpected occur. The changing landscape will, without doubt, have repercussions. I did not intend to imply that globalcrossing would not be able to cope with them.
Lets not forget that globalcrossing (who already laid off 13,000 people a couple of months ago)
Global Crossing currently employs approximately 11,000 employees. This summer, in an effort to cut costs and streamline our organizational structure, Global Crossing laid-off less than 2,000 employees.
Yes, this error was pointed out to me shortly thereafter. I publicly, and humbly appologize for the misquoted figures. My error, no one elses. It does not, however, change the fact that globalcrossing has been forced to layoff a percentage of employees in order to shave costs, which was the point I was trying to illustrate.
No doubt the bankruptcy will cause that company some considerable consternation which could adversely affect their end of the year results meaning yet MORE geeks could be living in cardboard boxes before the year is out.
Global Crossing has already recovered 100% of the bandwidth loss across our network realized by the extrication of Global Center traffic from our backbone.
In no way does the financial outlook of Global Crossing and its network rely on Exodus. Our revenue streams continue to grow at a steady clip, our quarterly earnings report continue to reflect an EBIDTA-positive organization, and each day we sign up more and more customers, large and small, who utilize our 101,000+ route-mile global fiber optic network.
Our network build was fully funded. With the sale of Frontier Communications by Global Crossing to Citizens Communications, Global Crossing was able to pay down more than 50% of its long-term debt.
Yes, globalcrossing's debt is all long term and not due for some time. This is a real positive for the company which will contribute to its survival. The debt does, however, remain as do the interest payments.
Global Crossing is in sound financial shape. Its long-term financial outlook is bright, our customers are happy, and we'll be here running one of the world's largest and fastest fiber optic networks long after many of our competitors close their doors.
My message was not intended to imply imminent problems with any network, merely to state that an action such as the bankruptcy/reorganization of a company the size of exodus could well have a ripple effect that might adversely affect those with which it does business, at least in the short term. If any of this was taken as negative statements against globalcrossing (a company which I do, personally, feel is in a better position than others to come out ahead when the economy comes back) then I again apologize. And I offer my personal appologies to Mr. Huberman if it was at all thought I was maliciously speaking ill of my former employer. That was in no way my intent. I intended to do no more than help those on the list be able to see that financial matters do, in fact, have a bearing on the internet by affecting decisions that companies may make. I am very sorry for any ill feeling I have caused and pray that this matter may be put to rest. -Wayne
/david
*--------------------------------* | Global Crossing API | | Manager, Global IP Addressing | | (703) 627-5800 | | huberman@gblx.net | *--------------------------------*
--- Wayne Bouchard web@typo.org Network Engineer http://www.typo.org/~web/resume.html
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alex@yuriev.com
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Andy Ellifson
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Christian Nielsen
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David R Huberman
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Fletcher E Kittredge
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Roy
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Wayne E. Bouchard