The real problem here is that Telehouse either doesn't want or doesn't have the ability to give you floor tiles that have holes cut to your spec. They basically rummage round and get you a tile with a random-sized hole in it. If you're lucky, you get a big hole in the middle. If you're not, you get one just big enough to fit your hand through (and risk the jaggies on the bottom) at some random spot on the tile. I've thought about keeping a sawzall in cabinets there just for the purpose of "customizing floor tiles" in the wee hours of the night. 8-) C Chris Mauritz Technical Manager, Systems Administration Rare Medium, Inc. chrism@raremedium.com -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Lisk <glisk@digisle.net> To: TTSG <ttsg@ttsg.com>; <alex@nac.net> Cc: <rpa@insnet.net>; <amb@gxn.net>; <randy@psg.com>; <redhead@cloudy.lightning.net>; <nanog@merit.edu> Date: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 11:10 AM Subject: Re: MAE NY?
I've had really good luck with a very large hole underneath the cabinet and a several hundred CFM fan at the top. Telehouse has good underfloor pressure so the larger the hole the better for the cabinet. I haven't had good luck putting vented tiles behind - most of our equipment vents front to rear inside the cabinets. My routers are very happy with the large holes though:
card inlet hotpoint exhaust RSP(2) 18C/64F 23C/73F 21C/69F
Although after seeing the rats nest of wires in some of the cabinets I've seen over the years it's no wonder there are hotspots - nowhere for the air to go. ;)
-Geoff
At 08:10 PM 10/6/98 -0400, TTSG wrote:
Also make sure that there is a "vented tile" inback of your cabinets. Not every one I see there does. Just put in a work order to the CAC and they'll put them behind your cabinet. This should help with the air flow around the cabinet so the air pumped out has somewhere to go (Or help blow into the back vents)
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On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Chris Mauritz wrote:
The real problem here is that Telehouse either doesn't want or doesn't have the ability to give you floor tiles that have holes cut to your spec. They
Thats not true; you have to ask the right person.
basically rummage round and get you a tile with a random-sized hole in it. If you're lucky, you get a big hole in the middle. If you're not, you get one just big enough to fit your hand through (and risk the jaggies on the bottom) at some random spot on the tile. I've thought about keeping a sawzall in cabinets there just for the purpose of "customizing floor tiles" in the wee hours of the night. 8-)
I'm sure telehouse would actually not have a problem with that. They are generally very accomodating.
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On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 alex@nac.net wrote:
basically rummage round and get you a tile with a random-sized hole in it. If you're lucky, you get a big hole in the middle. If you're not, you get one just big enough to fit your hand through (and risk the jaggies on the bottom) at some random spot on the tile. I've thought about keeping a sawzall in cabinets there just for the purpose of "customizing floor tiles" in the wee hours of the night. 8-)
I'm sure telehouse would actually not have a problem with that.
They are generally very accomodating.
Wow, I thought I was accommodating in my colos, but I never would have let someone have at it with a sawzall.
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I meant cutting floor tiles, but not at telehouse; ie, they would give you a tile, you shred it in your basement and then bring it back.
sawzall in cabinets there just for the purpose of "customizing floor tiles" in the wee hours of the night. 8-)
I'm sure telehouse would actually not have a problem with that.
They are generally very accomodating.
Wow, I thought I was accommodating in my colos, but I never would have let someone have at it with a sawzall.
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So I hear Alex is volunteering his basement? ;) -Geoff At 02:32 PM 10/8/98 -0400, alex@nac.net wrote:
I meant cutting floor tiles, but not at telehouse; ie, they would give you a tile, you shred it in your basement and then bring it back.
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On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Geoff Lisk wrote:
So I hear Alex is volunteering his basement? ;)
Man, depending on the tile, that can be a big pain. When I build a colo I try to use tiles that are filled because they are a little easier to work with. At least cutting them is easier then drilling holes though them.
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-Geoff
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Sure, why not? On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Geoff Lisk wrote:
So I hear Alex is volunteering his basement? ;)
-Geoff
At 02:32 PM 10/8/98 -0400, alex@nac.net wrote:
I meant cutting floor tiles, but not at telehouse; ie, they would give you a tile, you shred it in your basement and then bring it back.
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