Re: UUNET Pulling Peering Agreements
Currently we peer with UUNet across Mae-West and have for over two years. We have been trying to extend this peering to the many other NAP's where we have DS3 connectivity for over 10 months now, as sound network design would indicate, but these efforts have been repeatedly rejected by UUNet. Recently, we also recieved the "from letter" telling us our peering would be shut off in June. We have so far declined to sign the NDA papers with UUNet regarding this.
We are seeking a solution to the the problem without entering into a dead-end NDA that prevents us from actually doing so. I encourage others who are in the same boat to contact us to exchange thoughts on the matter.
Best Regards,
Adam Waters
I suggest considering a class legal action and/or a direct call to the FTC asking for an investigation if you believe this behavior is anti-competitive.
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What? Are you kidding? Where does it say anywhere that UUNet is required to connect/peer with anyone? Just because you are at a MAE doesn't give you the rught to peer. I think anyone who sues over the pulling of peering is simply crying like a little girl. The only mistake I think UU Net (or any for that matter) every made was to peer with smaller networks in the first place. lines!
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What? Are you kidding? Where does it say anywhere that UUNet is required to connect/peer with anyone? Just because you are at a MAE doesn't give you the rught to peer. I think anyone who sues over the pulling of peering is simply crying like a little girl. The only mistake I think UU Net (or any for that matter) every made was to peer with smaller networks in the first place.
UUNet could disconnect all of them right now. Why does it not? If UUNet leaves all of the smaller networks unhooked, it may just be that UUNet is left in the lurch. At some point UUNet will not be seen to have universal connectivity and at that point their bragging about being a backbone won't matter much. UUNet still needs the little guys -- in whole -- just as much as the little guys need UUNet. UUNet will have to keep away from the Genuity NAPs, won't it? Don't the Genuity NAPs require full/complete peering? I have a feeling that an uneasy peace will soon be called, one in which business on the Net is as usual. Is anyone expecting an apocolypse of sorts? When CIX said that they were going to start charging, they started out at $10,000 entry. Karl D. had membership for MCS, but then turned on CIX when he didn't like the way the organization was run. The AGIS Internet network (Net99) was formed out of the resistance to CIX's exclusive routing announcements. When all was said and done with the announcements and the due dates, CIX failed to demonstrate its ability to manage such specific exclusivity. I think that UUNet may have the same type of problem if it has to live up to its announcements. Granted, it is easier to open up "peers" when they pay you than it is to seperate out connections in which neither end is a CIX member -- but UUNet can't just shut things down and then open them up slowly -- they'd be roasted alive. One first thinks that it is only the little guys get burned with their customers when the little guy is seperated from a backbone operation such as UUNet's. But the only thing is that out of the vast numbers of UUNet customers or indirect UUNet subscribers, there will be many who notice that a connection to the little guy is no longer possible -- and they will complain up the chain to UUNet. Just responding to those complaints is a massive amount of work and expense. I think the message we should get from all of this is that even with the premium pricing of UUNet, Sprint, MCI, etc. there is great pain and disappointment over the ROI for backbone operators. Costs seem to progress geometrically on linear increases in revenue.
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Alex Rubenstein
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Craig Nordin