Re: [liberationtech] Brazil Looks to Break from U.S.-Centric Internet
----- Forwarded message from Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net> ----- Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:25:13 -0700 From: Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net> To: liberationtech <liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Brazil Looks to Break from U.S.-Centric Internet X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Reply-To: liberationtech <liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu> On Sep 18, 2013, at 8:28 AM, David Johnson <David.Johnson@aljazeera.net> wrote:
Interesting ... but is this even possible? http://world.time.com/2013/09/18/brazil-looks-to-break-from-u-s-centric-inte...
Well, there are a bunch of different concepts being discussed. The primary one is localization of routing, which isn't just possible, it's best-practice, and something Brazil has been doing an excellent job of already for quite a few years. If you look at https://pch.net/applications/ixpdir/summary/ you'll see that they've got 23 active exchanges, which puts them second in the world after the U.S., with 77% annualized growth, compared to 10% in the U.S. If you look at the Brazil section of https://pch.net/ixpdir you'll see that almost all of that growth has been occurring since they made it an explicit policy goal in 2008, and began aggressively implementing IXP best-practices. At a governance level, Brazil is divided. The CGI, which decides and implements domestic Internet policy, is the agency responsible for all this growth and best-practices-following. As such, they've been largely aligned with OECD-country and Internet interests. The Brazilian federal government, on the other hand, sets foreign policy, interacts with the ITU, et cetera. And so although it has no appreciable influence over what happens _within_ the country, it's what's seen by other national governments in diplomatic circles. In Internet governance, Brazil tends toward this Brazil-India-South Africa axis, which doesn't particularly align with the Internet or OECD countries, unless by accident. This is the area that Internet folks are most worried about, since those three countries are second-tier thought-leaders in the ITU, and can swing a lot of developing-country votes in their respective regions. So Brazil is, in many ways, the U.S.' opposite: they do the right thing domestically, but say the wrong thing internationally. -Bill -- Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at companys@stanford.edu. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://ativel.com http://postbiota.org AC894EC5: 38A5 5F46 A4FF 59B8 336B 47EE F46E 3489 AC89 4EC5
LOL, we'll move the taps one layer down ... -J On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Eugen Leitl <eugen@leitl.org> wrote:
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:25:13 -0700 From: Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net> To: liberationtech <liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Brazil Looks to Break from U.S.-Centric Internet X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Reply-To: liberationtech <liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu>
On Sep 18, 2013, at 8:28 AM, David Johnson <David.Johnson@aljazeera.net> wrote:
Interesting ... but is this even possible?
http://world.time.com/2013/09/18/brazil-looks-to-break-from-u-s-centric-inte...
Well, there are a bunch of different concepts being discussed. The primary one is localization of routing, which isn't just possible, it's best-practice, and something Brazil has been doing an excellent job of already for quite a few years. If you look at https://pch.net/applications/ixpdir/summary/ you'll see that they've got 23 active exchanges, which puts them second in the world after the U.S., with 77% annualized growth, compared to 10% in the U.S. If you look at the Brazil section of https://pch.net/ixpdir you'll see that almost all of that growth has been occurring since they made it an explicit policy goal in 2008, and began aggressively implementing IXP best-practices.
At a governance level, Brazil is divided. The CGI, which decides and implements domestic Internet policy, is the agency responsible for all this growth and best-practices-following. As such, they've been largely aligned with OECD-country and Internet interests. The Brazilian federal government, on the other hand, sets foreign policy, interacts with the ITU, et cetera. And so although it has no appreciable influence over what happens _within_ the country, it's what's seen by other national governments in diplomatic circles. In Internet governance, Brazil tends toward this Brazil-India-South Africa axis, which doesn't particularly align with the Internet or OECD countries, unless by accident. This is the area that Internet folks are most worried about, since those three countries are second-tier thought-leaders in the ITU, and can swing a lot of developing-country votes in their respective regions. So Brazil is, in many ways, the U.S.' opposite: they do the right thing domestically, but say the wrong thing internationally.
-Bill
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