RE: Contact handles disappearing mysteriously from the whois database!
At 01:45 PM 4/27/99 -0600, Lauren.Nowlin@Level3.com wrote:
I'm sure you have no idea what Mark went through to be allowed to post on NANOG. Don't further frustrate the messenger... He likely already has internal bruises for his efforts and doesn't deserve an extra dose of sarcasm.
-Ren
Oh -- We know. It is obviously NSI policy to keep their CUSTOMERS in the dark about operational issues with a service for which we are paying $35/yr per domain. Just like it is their policy to omit information from information posted on their web site regarding financial information citing "proprietary information" although this information is available via FOIA. We appreciate the fact that Mark may be black-and-blue for weeks as a result of his post to NANOG. We do NOT appreciate the cloak-and-dagger tactics for which NSI is now world renowned. Lose a record here, arbitrarily delete a domain here, remove telephone contact information from the web site, redirect internic.net to networksolutions.com and delete/move/modify/FUBAR the information/templates/forms that have been in the same location for YEARS citing "Improvements" as a reason -- ALL without consulting the public OR the Government before doing so. I could give a rats ass about how pretty their site is. Their cutesy little graphics are a waste of bandwidth. Speaking of which, I'm surprised that there wasn't any stink about them providing ad space to VeriSign on the old internic.net site. I want reliable -- dependable -- FAMILIAR service. You would think these people had J. Edgar Hoover at the wheel. ------------------------------------------------------------------ ML.ORG is gone. Check out http://www.EZ-IP.Net - It's *FREE* ------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your *FREE* Parked Domain account at http://www.EZ-Hosting.Com ------------------------------------------------------------------ John Fraizer | __ _ | The System Administrator | / / (_)__ __ ____ __ | The choice mailto:John.Fraizer@EnterZone.Net | / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / | of a GNU http://www.EnterZone.Net/ | /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ | Generation PGP Key fingerprint = 7DB6 1CA2 DAA6 43DA 3AAF 44CD 258C 3D7E B425 81A8
Actually, there was a huge stink about the Verisign ad. However, it was at about the time there was a HUGE stink here, about off-topic postings. Guess what got lost? As for as the rest of NSI screw-ups, go to one of the InterNIC lists. A number of us keep telling NSI that the vampire-shift janitorial staff are NOT system admins. They don't listen. The point is that I would charge most of the last years FUBARs off to incompetance, rather than Machiavellian mechanations. To do otherwise gives way more credit than is deserved.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of John Fraizer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 1:35 PM To: Lauren.Nowlin@Level3.com; nanog@merit.edu Subject: RE: Contact handles disappearing mysteriously from the whois database!
At 01:45 PM 4/27/99 -0600, Lauren.Nowlin@Level3.com wrote:
I'm sure you have no idea what Mark went through to be allowed to post on NANOG. Don't further frustrate the messenger... He likely already has internal bruises for his efforts and doesn't deserve an extra dose of sarcasm.
-Ren
Oh -- We know. It is obviously NSI policy to keep their CUSTOMERS in the dark about operational issues with a service for which we are paying $35/yr per domain. Just like it is their policy to omit information from information posted on their web site regarding financial information citing "proprietary information" although this information is available via FOIA.
We appreciate the fact that Mark may be black-and-blue for weeks as a result of his post to NANOG. We do NOT appreciate the cloak-and-dagger tactics for which NSI is now world renowned. Lose a record here, arbitrarily delete a domain here, remove telephone contact information from the web site, redirect internic.net to networksolutions.com and delete/move/modify/FUBAR the information/templates/forms that have been in the same location for YEARS citing "Improvements" as a reason -- ALL without consulting the public OR the Government before doing so. I could give a rats ass about how pretty their site is. Their cutesy little graphics are a waste of bandwidth. Speaking of which, I'm surprised that there wasn't any stink about them providing ad space to VeriSign on the old internic.net site. I want reliable -- dependable -- FAMILIAR service. You would think these people had J. Edgar Hoover at the wheel.
------------------------------------------------------------------ ML.ORG is gone. Check out http://www.EZ-IP.Net - It's *FREE* ------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your *FREE* Parked Domain account at http://www.EZ-Hosting.Com ------------------------------------------------------------------ John Fraizer | __ _ | The System Administrator | / / (_)__ __ ____ __ | The choice mailto:John.Fraizer@EnterZone.Net | / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / | of a GNU http://www.EnterZone.Net/ | /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ | Generation PGP Key fingerprint = 7DB6 1CA2 DAA6 43DA 3AAF 44CD 258C 3D7E B425 81A8
On Tue, Apr 27, 1999 at 05:10:02PM -0700, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
As for as the rest of NSI screw-ups, go to one of the InterNIC lists. A number of us keep telling NSI that the vampire-shift janitorial staff are NOT system admins. They don't listen. The point is that I would charge most of the last years FUBARs off to incompetance, rather than Machiavellian mechanations. To do otherwise gives way more credit than is deserved.
Regardless of the reason the FUBARs happen, I have tried discussing some of them with some of the people who supposedly can make decisions. Sometimes the discussions are productive, but nothing ever seems to happen. Sometimes I get yelled at for insinuating that NSI could possibly be less than perfect. -- Steven J. Sobol - Tech Support Guru, Abuse Desk Guy, Bill Gates Lookalike New Age Consulting Service, Inc. http://www.nacs.net/ Send personal mail to: sjsobol@nacs.net Send support issues to: support@nacs.net To complain about net abuse by a NACS customer, send mail to: abuse@nacs.net
I am firmly convinced that the bottom line is that they don't listen. I've swapped mail with Chuck Gomes about it and he says it is not his department. He's in marketing support.
-----Original Message----- From: Steven J. Sobol [mailto:sjsobol@nacs.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 5:49 PM To: Roeland M.J. Meyer Cc: John Fraizer; Lauren.Nowlin@Level3.com; nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Contact handles disappearing mysteriously from the whois database!
On Tue, Apr 27, 1999 at 05:10:02PM -0700, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
As for as the rest of NSI screw-ups, go to one of the InterNIC lists. A number of us keep telling NSI that the vampire-shift janitorial staff are NOT system admins. They don't listen. The point is that I would charge most of the last years FUBARs off to incompetance, rather than Machiavellian mechanations. To do otherwise gives way more credit than is deserved.
Regardless of the reason the FUBARs happen, I have tried discussing some of them with some of the people who supposedly can make decisions. Sometimes the discussions are productive, but nothing ever seems to happen. Sometimes I get yelled at for insinuating that NSI could possibly be less than perfect.
-- Steven J. Sobol - Tech Support Guru, Abuse Desk Guy, Bill Gates Lookalike New Age Consulting Service, Inc. http://www.nacs.net/ Send personal mail to: sjsobol@nacs.net Send support issues to: support@nacs.net To complain about net abuse by a NACS customer, send mail to: abuse@nacs.net
----------------------------- Roeland M.J. Meyer Morgan Hill Software Company, Inc. http://staff.mhsc.com/~rmeyer mailto://rmeyer@mhsc.com ----------------------------- You can always tell the people that are forging the new frontier. They're the ones with flaming arrows sticking out of their backs and looking a little charred around the edges.
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