On Sat, 13 Sep 1997, William Allen Simpson wrote:

Wading thru the flood in the past two days, I was wondering why Carmen

Hillenburg <carmenh@onecall.net> is answering Richard Irving <rirving@onecall.net> email?

My significant other used my email while I was at work ;>

Thus, ATM takes more bandwidth (is slower) and more cell switches (is slower), cumulatively at every hop. Slower is slower is slower....

Interesting note, I think all cross country timing data coming in is across ATM paths. Anyone have HSSI ? Regarding the deluge. It started when someone said, "Ok, what advantage does ATM have that IP doesn't" and I named 2. It started a Holy war. I had no Idea... Chris, I may never respond to you again.... ;) However, it is dragging to an end. *phew* We will know a fairly close representation of the ratio of overhead to cross the country, vs the speed of light ;). We have had input from some of the more interesting people in the field. And many interesting , yet *differing* views, yours is yet another. I would have stopped it long ago, but I felt obliged to at least answer. It is sort of an obsession of mine to make the data I *see*, correlate with the information the experts in the industry are offering...... Who is Richard Irving? No one! Just a tech like you, tasked with "The Net". Our company is an IXC, we run a hybrid-exchange (Giga-POP), and also carry our own ATM and IP circuits. (Routers, ATM Switches, IP Switches, and Telco:(ISDN/Pots) Switches.) We have a couple thousand T's around the country , (not all ip ;( ), Lots of "Hot glass" (up to OC48), and clean circuits. (Bandwidth Heaven) We buy/sell pipe from MFS, TWarner, Ameritech, etc.. And provide advanced communications to customers: U.S. based ATM, IP, LD, LDIP, and Frame. We function primarily as a bandwidth/advanced communications *wholesaler*, so you don't hear of us much. We are a C based shop, and also provide "Custom" Data services to the Carrier/Communications industry. Want a brochure? : mailto://techsale@onecall.net, or mailto://techsale@indyx.net as I am beginning to sound too much like a salesman for comfort. ;) No one, Just a tech who has to deal with so many technologies throughout the course of a week, that I begin to "bleed over" acronyms, and confuse everyone when I post ;) But, I am a member of NANOG, I think that counts! ;) Richard