Ok folks, this has gone way too far. First and foremost, let me clear a few points up. 1) I never supported Eugene's antics or his piracy (nor cache poisoning) which he engaged in. 2) We updated our BIND versions on ALL our nameservers, including the two listed below, within a few hours of his games beginning, so that we would NOT distribute or load bad data. 3) We *DO* run a completely separate faction of enhanced DNS, known as eDNS. This has NOTHING to do with Mr. Kaspuereff or his antics. 4) Our nameservers were not "polluted", nor will they be in the future. We are running BIND 8.1.1 which prevents this from happening. 5) We do not, never did, and won't support the kinds of games which Eugene pulled. I disagree *vehemently* with the IAHC and iPOC, and believe their process is both improper and possibly illegal. Nonetheless, that you believe someone is breaking the law and all boundaries of ethics does *NOT* entitle you to go and do the same in "retaliation". Two wrongs do NOT make a right. 6) Your blocking of the IP addresses is *NOT* effective. Eugene's stunt was not quite as simple as you might think; he was deliberately hitting nameservers with recursive requests to force them to load his data. You would have to isolate yourself ENTIRELY to be completely free of the problem through your method. The PROPER fix is to load the newer BIND code which doesn't suffer from the weakness which was being exploited. MCSNet will take immediate and strong retaliatory action against *ANY* ISP which blockades our network in this fashion. It is one thing to block packets from our network for something which we have in fact done. It is quite another to do so based on "guilt by association" and flat-out untruths. It is my hope that you will reconsider this insanity, and drop the filters in 192.160.127.x. We are *NOT* your enemies, but we can become them if you insist on it. A prompt response is appreciated and expected. Sincerely, -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity http://www.mcs.net/~karl | T1's from $600 monthly to FULL DS-3 Service | 99 Analog numbers, 77 ISDN, http://www.mcs.net/ Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| NOW Serving 56kbps DIGITAL on our analog lines! Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | 2 FULL DS-3 Internet links; 400Mbps B/W Internal
Following is the text of a message on the NANOG list , from Ray Davis [ray@carpe.net]
Why not just block all his garbage NSes and the fantasy NSes he's pointing to? A quick scan of 'dig @nyc.alternic.net . axfr' reveals the entries I've enclosed at the bottom. The unique IPs in this list are below and we've blocked them all at our border so none of out NSes can get polluted by them. Why not do the same? Cheers, Ray ===== Unique set of IPs from the alternic fantasy tld list ==== 151.189.0.25 192.160.127.125 192.160.127.90 193.0.0.193 194.106.36.1 194.72.236.3 194.97.200.20 198.199.168.92 198.80.71.68 198.80.71.70 199.166.24.1 199.181.164.1 199.181.164.2 202.185.231.4 202.185.254.12 204.182.105.150 204.199.0.2 204.199.0.3 204.80.125.130 204.80.125.145 204.94.42.1 204.94.42.2 204.94.42.5 204.94.43.1 205.184.14.8 205.206.189.3 205.215.60.5 205.215.60.6 206.117.26.219 206.117.26.220 206.25.132.30 206.71.77.2 206.71.77.4 207.107.232.3 207.174.25.15 207.180.91.9 207.32.128.1 207.32.128.131 207.51.48.15 207.51.48.5 207.51.48.8 208.1.127.6 208.133.32.70 208.139.0.16 208.139.0.26 208.195.108.10 208.195.108.9 ====
===== Output from 'dig @nyc.alternic.net . axfr' with valid TLDs edited out == 86400 SOA MX.ALTERNIC.NET. ROOT.MX.ALTERNIC.NET. ( 1997072123 ; serial 10800 ; refresh (3 hours) 900 ; retry (15 mins) 604800 ; expire (7 days) 86400 ) ; minimum (1 day) 518400 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 207.51.48.15 518400 NS IPERDOME.PER. IPERDOME.PER. 604800 A 208.133.32.70 518400 NS EEK.HTTPD.COM. EEK.HTTPD.COM. 86400 A 204.182.105.150 518400 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. MX.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.1 A. 172000 NS NS3.TRIVALLEY.COM. I. 172000 NS NS3.TRIVALLEY.COM. NS3.TRIVALLEY.COM 206.25.132.30 DIR. 172000 NS SKYSCAPE.NET. SKYSCAPE.NET. 172000 A 207.107.232.3 DIR. 172000 NS FASTLANE.CA. FASTLANE.CA. 172000 A 205.206.189.3 INC. 172000 NS NS1.GLOBECOMM.NET. NS1.GLOBECOMM.NET. 172000 A 207.51.48.5 INC. 172000 NS NS2.GLOBECOMM.NET. NS2.GLOBECOMM.NET. 172000 A 207.51.48.8 PORNO. 518000 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. MX.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.1 PORNO. 518000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 207.51.48.15 PORNO. 518000 NS ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.2 PORNO. 518000 NS EEK.HTTPD.COM. EEK.HTTPD.COM. 86400 A 204.182.105.150 PORNO. 518000 NS IPERDOME.PER. IPERDOME.PER. 604800 A 208.133.32.70 PORNO. 518000 NS NS1.BELFAIR.NET. NS1.BELFAIR.NET. 86400 A 204.94.43.1 PORNO. 518000 NS CLUBLOVE.XXX. CLUBLOVE.XXX. 386400 A 208.139.0.16 PORNO. 518000 NS PENTHOUSELIVE.XXX. PENTHOUSELIVE.XXX. 186400 A 208.139.0.26 USVI. 172000 NS NS1.USVI.NET. NS1.USVI.NET. 172000 A 204.199.0.2 USVI. 172000 NS NS2.USVI.NET. NS2.USVI.NET. 172000 A 204.199.0.3 TLD. 172000 NS DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 198.199.168.92 TLD. 172000 NS NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 15228 A 207.180.91.9 TLD. 172000 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 208.195.108.9 NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 208.195.108.10 FILM. 172000 NS SKYSCAPE.NET. SKYSCAPE.NET. 172000 A 207.107.232.3 FILM. 172000 NS FASTLANE.CA. FASTLANE.CA. 172000 A 205.206.189.3 DOT. 172000 NS LONEPEAK.VII.COM. LONEPEAK.VII.COM. 172000 A 206.71.77.2 DOT. 172000 NS OLYMPUS.VII.COM. OLYMPUS.VII.COM. 172000 A 206.71.77.4 GMBH. 86400 NS ns.germany.net. ns.germany.net. 172000 A 151.189.0.25 GMBH. 86400 NS ns.seicom.net. ns.seicom.net. 172000 A 194.97.200.20 NUM. 172000 NS NS1.NUM.NET. NS1.NUM.NET. 172000 A 205.215.60.5 NUM. 172000 NS NS2.NUM.NET. NS2.NUM.NET. 172000 A 205.215.60.6 888. 172000 NS NS1.VRX.NET. NS1.VRX.NET. 172000 A 199.166.24.1 XXX. 518000 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. MX.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.1 XXX. 518000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 207.51.48.15 XXX. 518000 NS ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.2 XXX. 518000 NS EEK.HTTPD.COM. EEK.HTTPD.COM. 86400 A 204.182.105.150 FAM. 172000 NS RS1.LANMINDS.COM. RS1.LANMINDS.COM. 172000 A 208.1.127.6 FAM. 172000 NS RS2.LANMINDS.NET. RS2.LANMINDS.NET. 172000 A 207.174.25.15 PER. 604800 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 207.51.48.15 PER. 604800 NS IPERDOME.PER. IPERDOME.PER. 604800 A 208.133.32.70 PER. 604800 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. MX.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.1 FAQ. 172000 NS NS1.VRX.NET. NS1.VRX.NET. 172000 A 199.166.24.1 GLOBE. 172000 NS NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. 172000 A 206.117.26.220 GLOBE. 172000 NS NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. 172000 A 206.117.26.219 GAMES. 172000 NS NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. 172000 A 206.117.26.220 GAMES. 172000 NS NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. 172000 A 206.117.26.219 MALL. 172000 NS NS.UNETY.NET. NS.UNETY.NET. 172000 A 207.32.128.1 MALL. 172000 NS NS.UNETY.COM. NS.UNETY.COM. 172000 A 207.32.128.131 RADIO. 172000 NS SKYSCAPE.NET. SKYSCAPE.NET. 172000 A 207.107.232.3 RADIO. 172000 NS FASTLANE.CA. FASTLANE.CA. 172000 A 205.206.189.3 TRAVEL. 518000 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. MX.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.1 TRAVEL. 518000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 207.51.48.15 TRAVEL. 518000 NS ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.2 JPN. 518000 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. MX.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.1 JPN. 518000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 207.51.48.15 JPN. 518000 NS ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.2 ZOO. 172000 NS NS1.VRX.NET. NS1.VRX.NET. 172000 A 199.166.24.1 ENT. 172000 NS FASTLANE.CA. FASTLANE.CA. 172000 A 205.206.189.3 ENT. 172000 NS SKYSCAPE.NET. SKYSCAPE.NET. 172000 A 207.107.232.3 ENT. 172000 NS SKYSCAPE.ALTERNIC.NET. ASIA. 172000 NS NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. 172000 A 206.117.26.220 ASIA. 172000 NS NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. 172000 A 206.117.26.219 NS.RIPE.NET. 172800 A 193.0.0.193 LAW. 172000 NS NS1.GLOBECOMM.NET. NS1.GLOBECOMM.NET. 172000 A 207.51.48.5 LAW. 172000 NS NS2.GLOBECOMM.NET. NS2.GLOBECOMM.NET. 172000 A 207.51.48.8 VID. 172000 NS DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 198.199.168.92 VID. 172000 NS NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 15228 A 207.180.91.9 VID. 172000 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 208.195.108.9 NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 208.195.108.10 GAY. 172000 NS ANAESTHESIA.COGNOSCENTI.ORG. ANAESTHESIA.COGNOSCENTI.ORG. 172000 A 198.80.71.70 GAY. 172000 NS SYNAESTHESIA.COGNOSCENTI.ORG. SYNAESTHESIA.COGNOSCENTI.ORG. 172000 A 198.80.71.68 GAY. 172000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 207.51.48.15 GAY. 172000 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. MX.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.1 HELP. 172000 NS SKYSCAPE.NET. SKYSCAPE.NET. 172000 A 207.107.232.3 HELP. 172000 NS FASTLANE.CA. FASTLANE.CA. 172000 A 205.206.189.3 FUND. 172000 NS SKYSCAPE.NET. SKYSCAPE.NET. 172000 A 207.107.232.3 FUND. 172000 NS FASTLANE.CA. 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NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 15228 A 207.180.91.9 GEO. 172000 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 208.195.108.9 NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 208.195.108.10 EUR. 172000 NS NS1.WEBSERVICES.NET. NS1.WEBSERVICES.NET. 172000 A 194.106.36.1 NS1.WEBSERVICES.NET. 172000 A 194.72.236.3 EUR. 172000 NS NS2.WEBSERVICES.NET. NS2.WEBSERVICES.NET. 172800 A 194.72.236.3 GER. 86400 NS ns.germany.net. ns.germany.net. 172000 A 151.189.0.25 GER. 86400 NS ns.seicom.net. ns.seicom.net. 172000 A 194.97.200.20 KSA. 172000 NS NS1.ALASKAONE.COM. NS1.ALASKAONE.COM. 172000 A 205.184.14.8 KSA. 172000 NS NS2.ALASKAONE.COM. NS2.ALASKAONE.COM. 172000 A 205.184.14.8 EXP. 518000 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. MX.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.1 EXP. 518000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 207.51.48.15 EXP. 518000 NS ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.2 EXP. 518000 NS EEK.HTTPD.COM. EEK.HTTPD.COM. 86400 A 204.182.105.150 LLB. 172000 NS NS1.VRX.NET. NS1.VRX.NET. 172000 A 199.166.24.1 KIDS. 172000 NS NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. 172000 A 206.117.26.220 KIDS. 172000 NS NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. 172000 A 206.117.26.219 HAM. 172000 NS DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 198.199.168.92 HAM. 172000 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 208.195.108.9 NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 208.195.108.10 KTI. 172000 NS DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 198.199.168.92 KTI. 172000 NS NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 15228 A 207.180.91.9 KTI. 172000 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 208.195.108.9 NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 208.195.108.10 BANK. 172000 NS SKYSCAPE.NET. SKYSCAPE.NET. 172000 A 207.107.232.3 BANK. 172000 NS FASTLANE.CA. FASTLANE.CA. 172000 A 205.206.189.3 MED. 518000 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. MX.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.1 MED. 518000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 207.51.48.15 MED. 518000 NS EEK.HTTPD.COM. EEK.HTTPD.COM. 86400 A 204.182.105.150 MED. 518000 NS ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.2 PORN. 172000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 207.51.48.15 PORN. 172000 NS ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.2 PORN. 172000 NS EEK.HTTPD.COM. EEK.HTTPD.COM. 86400 A 204.182.105.150 PORN. 172000 NS NS1.BELFAIR.NET. NS1.BELFAIR.NET. 86400 A 204.94.43.1 PORN. 172000 NS IPERDOME.PER. IPERDOME.PER. 604800 A 208.133.32.70 PORN. 172000 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. MX.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.1 FREE. 172000 NS NS.ALPHAQUE.COM. NS.ALPHAQUE.COM. 172000 A 202.185.254.12 FREE. 172000 NS NS2.ALPHAQUE.COM. NS2.ALPHAQUE.COM. 172000 A 202.185.231.4 BIZ. 172000 NS CEREBUS.MCS.COM. CEREBUS.MCS.COM. 172000 A 192.160.127.125 BIZ. 172000 NS KITTEN.MCS.COM. KITTEN.MCS.COM. 172000 A 192.160.127.90 ART. 172000 NS FASTLANE.CA. FASTLANE.CA. 172000 A 205.206.189.3 ART. 172000 NS SKYSCAPE.NET. SKYSCAPE.NET. 172000 A 207.107.232.3 LNX. 518000 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. MX.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.1 LNX. 518000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 207.51.48.15 LNX. 518000 NS ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.2 LNX. 518000 NS EEK.HTTPD.COM. EEK.HTTPD.COM. 86400 A 204.182.105.150 ZONE. 172000 NS NS1.USVI.NET. NS1.USVI.NET. 172000 A 204.199.0.2 ZONE. 172000 NS NS2.USVI.NET. NS2.USVI.NET. 172000 A 204.199.0.3 SEA. 172000 NS DNS1.SEANET.COM. DNS1.SEANET.COM. 172000 A 199.181.164.1 SEA. 172000 NS DNS2.SEANET.COM. DNS2.SEANET.COM. 172000 A 199.181.164.2 LTD. 518000 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. MX.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.1 LTD. 518000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 207.51.48.15 LTD. 518000 NS ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.2 LTD. 518000 NS EEK.HTTPD.COM. 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NS1.VRX.NET. 172000 A 199.166.24.1 DDS. 172000 NS NS1.VRX.NET. NS1.VRX.NET. 172000 A 199.166.24.1 SKY. 172000 NS FASTLANE.CA. FASTLANE.CA. 172000 A 205.206.189.3 SKY. 172000 NS SKYSCAPE.NET. SKYSCAPE.NET. 172000 A 207.107.232.3 PRICES. 172000 NS NS1.VRX.NET. NS1.VRX.NET. 172000 A 199.166.24.1 EMAIL. 172000 NS NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. 172000 A 206.117.26.220 EMAIL. 172000 NS NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. 172000 A 206.117.26.219 800. 172000 NS NS1.VRX.NET. NS1.VRX.NET. 172000 A 199.166.24.1 VIDEO. 172000 NS DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 198.199.168.92 VIDEO. 172000 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 208.195.108.9 NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 208.195.108.10 ============================================================================ == root
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Karl Denninger <karl@MCS.COM> wrote in article <5r39c8$75b$1@Jupiter.Mcs.Net>...
In article <01bc96e4$c6ca5530$0101a8c0@superduper>, David Schutt <david@DELETETHIS.speco.com> wrote:
What in the world is going on with the nameservers? People are blocking addresses that are or were associated with Alternic, and that includes Cerebus and Kitten. Is this going to cause us MCS users problems? -- david@DELETETHIS.speco.com
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Who's blocking cerebus and kitten?
I've seen no evidence of this. We had nothing to do with the Alternic on those machines, and Eugene's root has been off for months.
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Ok folks, this has gone way too far.
First and foremost, let me clear a few points up.
1) I never supported Eugene's antics or his piracy (nor cache poisoning) which he engaged in.
2) We updated our BIND versions on ALL our nameservers, including the two listed below, within a few hours of his games beginning, so that we would NOT distribute or load bad data.
3) We *DO* run a completely separate faction of enhanced DNS, known as eDNS. This has NOTHING to do with Mr. Kaspuereff or his antics.
4) Our nameservers were not "polluted", nor will they be in the future. We are running BIND 8.1.1 which prevents this from happening.
5) We do not, never did, and won't support the kinds of games which Eugene pulled. I disagree *vehemently* with the IAHC and iPOC, and believe their process is both improper and possibly illegal. Nonetheless, that you believe someone is breaking the law and all boundaries of ethics does *NOT* entitle you to go and do the same in "retaliation". Two wrongs do NOT make a right.
6) Your blocking of the IP addresses is *NOT* effective. Eugene's stunt was not quite as simple as you might think; he was deliberately hitting nameservers with recursive requests to force them to load his data. You would have to isolate yourself ENTIRELY to be completely free of the problem through your method. The PROPER fix is to load the newer BIND code which doesn't suffer from the weakness which was being exploited.
MCSNet will take immediate and strong retaliatory action against *ANY* ISP which blockades our network in this fashion. It is one thing to block packets from our network for something which we have in fact done. It is quite another to do so based on "guilt by association" and flat-out untruths.
It is my hope that you will reconsider this insanity, and drop the filters in 192.160.127.x. We are *NOT* your enemies, but we can become them if you insist on it.
A prompt response is appreciated and expected.
Karl, I never said anything about your politics or association with Kashpureff. But it also isn't as simple as you and Paul seem to think (i.e. upgrade to a new bind). The fact remains that one or more of your nameservers are being pointed to by the alternic root. I know that talking with Kashpureff's nameservers may pollute my nameservers or one of my customers nameservers. If his nameservers are pointing to your nameservers then there is a high likelihood that his nameservers have been talking to your nameservers. I have no control over your nameservers and have no way of being absolutely sure they are not polluted. At the moment I do not have time to build and install N binds on N machines and even if I did, it would not help my customers who may not even know *how* to upgrade to a new bind. So if keeping my net from speaking to Kashpureff's nameservers and the known quantity that his nameservers talk to reduces the risk to my and my customer's nameservers, then so be it. This seems like a logical and reasonable approach to me and is the quickest thing I could think of to limit our risk. If you have a better solution, then I'm all ears. We are not your enemy either, but it is not our fault you picked Kashpureff to do business with previously. Maybe you should get him to quit pointing to your IPs? You never know when he'll uncover the next bug that effects the latest bind releases. Who knows - maybe it will only effect the latest bind and everyone with a supposedly "fixed" nameserver will be dead in the water. As for blocking your net: I'm blocking the specific IPs - not your whole net. I'm not impressed by your threats either. We have the right to allow or disallow whatever we want within our net. Cheers, Ray
Sincerely,
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Following is the text of a message on the NANOG list , from Ray Davis [ray@carpe.net]
Why not just block all his garbage NSes and the fantasy NSes he's pointing to? A quick scan of 'dig @nyc.alternic.net . axfr' reveals the entries I've enclosed at the bottom. The unique IPs in this list are below and we've blocked them all at our border so none of out NSes can get polluted by them. Why not do the same? Cheers, Ray ===== Unique set of IPs from the alternic fantasy tld list ==== 151.189.0.25 192.160.127.125 192.160.127.90 193.0.0.193 194.106.36.1 194.72.236.3 194.97.200.20 198.199.168.92 198.80.71.68 198.80.71.70 199.166.24.1 199.181.164.1 199.181.164.2 202.185.231.4 202.185.254.12 204.182.105.150 204.199.0.2 204.199.0.3 204.80.125.130 204.80.125.145 204.94.42.1 204.94.42.2 204.94.42.5 204.94.43.1 205.184.14.8 205.206.189.3 205.215.60.5 205.215.60.6 206.117.26.219 206.117.26.220 206.25.132.30 206.71.77.2 206.71.77.4 207.107.232.3 207.174.25.15 207.180.91.9 207.32.128.1 207.32.128.131 207.51.48.15 207.51.48.5 207.51.48.8 208.1.127.6 208.133.32.70 208.139.0.16 208.139.0.26 208.195.108.10 208.195.108.9 ====
===== Output from 'dig @nyc.alternic.net . axfr' with valid TLDs edited out == 86400 SOA MX.ALTERNIC.NET. ROOT.MX.ALTERNIC.NET. ( 1997072123 ; serial 10800 ; refresh (3 hours) 900 ; retry (15 mins) 604800 ; expire (7 days) 86400 ) ; minimum (1 day) 518400 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 207.51.48.15 518400 NS IPERDOME.PER. IPERDOME.PER. 604800 A 208.133.32.70 518400 NS EEK.HTTPD.COM. EEK.HTTPD.COM. 86400 A 204.182.105.150 518400 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. MX.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.1 A. 172000 NS NS3.TRIVALLEY.COM. I. 172000 NS NS3.TRIVALLEY.COM. NS3.TRIVALLEY.COM 206.25.132.30 DIR. 172000 NS SKYSCAPE.NET. SKYSCAPE.NET. 172000 A 207.107.232.3 DIR. 172000 NS FASTLANE.CA. FASTLANE.CA. 172000 A 205.206.189.3 INC. 172000 NS NS1.GLOBECOMM.NET. NS1.GLOBECOMM.NET. 172000 A 207.51.48.5 INC. 172000 NS NS2.GLOBECOMM.NET. NS2.GLOBECOMM.NET. 172000 A 207.51.48.8 PORNO. 518000 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. MX.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.1 PORNO. 518000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 207.51.48.15 PORNO. 518000 NS ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.2 PORNO. 518000 NS EEK.HTTPD.COM. EEK.HTTPD.COM. 86400 A 204.182.105.150 PORNO. 518000 NS IPERDOME.PER. IPERDOME.PER. 604800 A 208.133.32.70 PORNO. 518000 NS NS1.BELFAIR.NET. NS1.BELFAIR.NET. 86400 A 204.94.43.1 PORNO. 518000 NS CLUBLOVE.XXX. CLUBLOVE.XXX. 386400 A 208.139.0.16 PORNO. 518000 NS PENTHOUSELIVE.XXX. PENTHOUSELIVE.XXX. 186400 A 208.139.0.26 USVI. 172000 NS NS1.USVI.NET. NS1.USVI.NET. 172000 A 204.199.0.2 USVI. 172000 NS NS2.USVI.NET. NS2.USVI.NET. 172000 A 204.199.0.3 TLD. 172000 NS DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 198.199.168.92 TLD. 172000 NS NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 15228 A 207.180.91.9 TLD. 172000 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 208.195.108.9 NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 208.195.108.10 FILM. 172000 NS SKYSCAPE.NET. SKYSCAPE.NET. 172000 A 207.107.232.3 FILM. 172000 NS FASTLANE.CA. FASTLANE.CA. 172000 A 205.206.189.3 DOT. 172000 NS LONEPEAK.VII.COM. LONEPEAK.VII.COM. 172000 A 206.71.77.2 DOT. 172000 NS OLYMPUS.VII.COM. OLYMPUS.VII.COM. 172000 A 206.71.77.4 GMBH. 86400 NS ns.germany.net. ns.germany.net. 172000 A 151.189.0.25 GMBH. 86400 NS ns.seicom.net. ns.seicom.net. 172000 A 194.97.200.20 NUM. 172000 NS NS1.NUM.NET. NS1.NUM.NET. 172000 A 205.215.60.5 NUM. 172000 NS NS2.NUM.NET. NS2.NUM.NET. 172000 A 205.215.60.6 888. 172000 NS NS1.VRX.NET. NS1.VRX.NET. 172000 A 199.166.24.1 XXX. 518000 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. MX.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.1 XXX. 518000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 207.51.48.15 XXX. 518000 NS ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.2 XXX. 518000 NS EEK.HTTPD.COM. EEK.HTTPD.COM. 86400 A 204.182.105.150 FAM. 172000 NS RS1.LANMINDS.COM. RS1.LANMINDS.COM. 172000 A 208.1.127.6 FAM. 172000 NS RS2.LANMINDS.NET. 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MX.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.1 TRAVEL. 518000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 207.51.48.15 TRAVEL. 518000 NS ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.2 JPN. 518000 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. MX.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.1 JPN. 518000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 207.51.48.15 JPN. 518000 NS ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.2 ZOO. 172000 NS NS1.VRX.NET. NS1.VRX.NET. 172000 A 199.166.24.1 ENT. 172000 NS FASTLANE.CA. FASTLANE.CA. 172000 A 205.206.189.3 ENT. 172000 NS SKYSCAPE.NET. SKYSCAPE.NET. 172000 A 207.107.232.3 ENT. 172000 NS SKYSCAPE.ALTERNIC.NET. ASIA. 172000 NS NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. 172000 A 206.117.26.220 ASIA. 172000 NS NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. 172000 A 206.117.26.219 NS.RIPE.NET. 172800 A 193.0.0.193 LAW. 172000 NS NS1.GLOBECOMM.NET. NS1.GLOBECOMM.NET. 172000 A 207.51.48.5 LAW. 172000 NS NS2.GLOBECOMM.NET. NS2.GLOBECOMM.NET. 172000 A 207.51.48.8 VID. 172000 NS DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 198.199.168.92 VID. 172000 NS NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 15228 A 207.180.91.9 VID. 172000 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 208.195.108.9 NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 208.195.108.10 GAY. 172000 NS ANAESTHESIA.COGNOSCENTI.ORG. ANAESTHESIA.COGNOSCENTI.ORG. 172000 A 198.80.71.70 GAY. 172000 NS SYNAESTHESIA.COGNOSCENTI.ORG. SYNAESTHESIA.COGNOSCENTI.ORG. 172000 A 198.80.71.68 GAY. 172000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 207.51.48.15 GAY. 172000 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. MX.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.1 HELP. 172000 NS SKYSCAPE.NET. SKYSCAPE.NET. 172000 A 207.107.232.3 HELP. 172000 NS FASTLANE.CA. FASTLANE.CA. 172000 A 205.206.189.3 FUND. 172000 NS SKYSCAPE.NET. SKYSCAPE.NET. 172000 A 207.107.232.3 FUND. 172000 NS FASTLANE.CA. FASTLANE.CA. 172000 A 205.206.189.3 URL. 172000 NS DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 198.199.168.92 URL. 172000 NS NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 15228 A 207.180.91.9 URL. 172000 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 208.195.108.9 NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 208.195.108.10 HIGGS. 172000 NS NS1.HIGGS.NET. NS1.HIGGS.NET. 172000 A 204.80.125.130 HIGGS. 172000 NS NS2.HIGGS.NET. NS2.HIGGS.NET. 172000 A 204.80.125.145 ARTS. 172000 NS FASTLANE.CA. FASTLANE.CA. 172000 A 205.206.189.3 ARTS. 172000 NS SKYSCAPE.NET. SKYSCAPE.NET. 172000 A 207.107.232.3 LIVE. 518000 NS iperdome.per. iperdome.per. 604800 A 208.133.32.70 LIVE. 518000 NS ns1.starfire.douglas.ma.us. ns1.starfire.douglas.ma.us. 15228 A 207.180.91.9 GEO. 172000 NS DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 198.199.168.92 GEO. 172000 NS NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 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KITTEN.MCS.COM. 172000 A 192.160.127.90 ART. 172000 NS FASTLANE.CA. FASTLANE.CA. 172000 A 205.206.189.3 ART. 172000 NS SKYSCAPE.NET. SKYSCAPE.NET. 172000 A 207.107.232.3 LNX. 518000 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. MX.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.1 LNX. 518000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 207.51.48.15 LNX. 518000 NS ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.2 LNX. 518000 NS EEK.HTTPD.COM. EEK.HTTPD.COM. 86400 A 204.182.105.150 ZONE. 172000 NS NS1.USVI.NET. NS1.USVI.NET. 172000 A 204.199.0.2 ZONE. 172000 NS NS2.USVI.NET. NS2.USVI.NET. 172000 A 204.199.0.3 SEA. 172000 NS DNS1.SEANET.COM. DNS1.SEANET.COM. 172000 A 199.181.164.1 SEA. 172000 NS DNS2.SEANET.COM. DNS2.SEANET.COM. 172000 A 199.181.164.2 LTD. 518000 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. MX.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.1 LTD. 518000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 207.51.48.15 LTD. 518000 NS ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. 86400 A 204.94.42.2 LTD. 518000 NS EEK.HTTPD.COM. EEK.HTTPD.COM. 86400 A 204.182.105.150 NETZ. 86400 NS ns.germany.net. ns.germany.net. 172000 A 151.189.0.25 NETZ. 86400 NS ns.seicom.net. ns.seicom.net. 172000 A 194.97.200.20 TOUR. 172000 NS NS1.USVI.NET. NS1.USVI.NET. 172000 A 204.199.0.2 TOUR. 172000 NS NS2.USVI.NET. NS2.USVI.NET. 172000 A 204.199.0.3 CHIRO. 518000 NS iperdome.per. iperdome.per. 604800 A 208.133.32.70 CHIRO. 518000 NS ns1.starfire.douglas.ma.us. ns1.starfire.douglas.ma.us. 15228 A 207.180.91.9 SEX. 172000 NS FASTLANE.CA. FASTLANE.CA. 172000 A 205.206.189.3 SEX. 172000 NS SKYSCAPE.NET. SKYSCAPE.NET. 172000 A 207.107.232.3 SEX. 172000 NS SKYSCAPE.ALTERNIC.NET. CITY. 172000 NS DNS1.SEANET.COM. DNS1.SEANET.COM. 172000 A 199.181.164.1 CITY. 172000 NS DNS2.SEANET.COM. DNS2.SEANET.COM. 172000 A 199.181.164.2 NEWS. 172000 NS NS1.HIGGS.NET. NS1.HIGGS.NET. 172000 A 204.80.125.130 NEWS. 172000 NS NS2.HIGGS.NET. NS2.HIGGS.NET. 172000 A 204.80.125.145 NIC. 518000 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. 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NS1.VRX.NET. 172000 A 199.166.24.1 DDS. 172000 NS NS1.VRX.NET. NS1.VRX.NET. 172000 A 199.166.24.1 SKY. 172000 NS FASTLANE.CA. FASTLANE.CA. 172000 A 205.206.189.3 SKY. 172000 NS SKYSCAPE.NET. SKYSCAPE.NET. 172000 A 207.107.232.3 PRICES. 172000 NS NS1.VRX.NET. NS1.VRX.NET. 172000 A 199.166.24.1 EMAIL. 172000 NS NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. 172000 A 206.117.26.220 EMAIL. 172000 NS NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM. 172000 A 206.117.26.219 800. 172000 NS NS1.VRX.NET. NS1.VRX.NET. 172000 A 199.166.24.1 VIDEO. 172000 NS DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 198.199.168.92 VIDEO. 172000 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 208.195.108.9 NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. 172000 A 208.195.108.10 ============================================================================ == root
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Karl Denninger <karl@MCS.COM> wrote in article <5r39c8$75b$1@Jupiter.Mcs.Net>...
In article <01bc96e4$c6ca5530$0101a8c0@superduper>, David Schutt <david@DELETETHIS.speco.com> wrote:
What in the world is going on with the nameservers? People are blocking addresses that are or were associated with Alternic, and that includes Cerebus and Kitten. Is this going to cause us MCS users problems? -- david@DELETETHIS.speco.com
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Who's blocking cerebus and kitten?
I've seen no evidence of this. We had nothing to do with the Alternic on those machines, and Eugene's root has been off for months.
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