Hi There, I am looking for carriers who offer peering in Latin America (Specifically Costa Rica). So far the only carrier in Costa Rica who I have been able to find that does this is ADN (American Data Networks, www.data.cr). While they are already on my list for a quote, we need at least one other diverse connection, so I would appreciate if anyone else would be able to help me find other carriers who operate here? Here's who i've contacted so far: RACSA - Can't get past 1st level support (they don't know what BGP is) ICE - Tried contacting a person who's address I was previously given from NANOG to no avail Global Crossing - Said they contacted an engineer who would get back to me, mailed them 4 times since to no avail (no bounced emails either). Level 3 - Apparently don't operate in Latin America AT&T - Want us to have a minimum of 3 locations in the US to peer with first So far ADN are the only carrier who have actually been of any help. Quick Googling for "BGP Peering Latin America" and "BGP Peering Costa Rica" and several variations thereof is not yielding any fruitful results. Thanks and regards, Ken
Ken Gilmour wrote:
Hi There,
I am looking for carriers who offer peering in Latin America (Specifically Costa Rica). So far the only carrier in Costa Rica who I have been able to find that does this is ADN (American Data Networks, www.data.cr). While they are already on my list for a quote, we need at least one other diverse connection, so I would appreciate if anyone else would be able to help me find other carriers who operate here? Here's who i've contacted so far:
RACSA - Can't get past 1st level support (they don't know what BGP is) ICE - Tried contacting a person who's address I was previously given from NANOG to no avail Global Crossing - Said they contacted an engineer who would get back to me, mailed them 4 times since to no avail (no bounced emails either). Level 3 - Apparently don't operate in Latin America AT&T - Want us to have a minimum of 3 locations in the US to peer with first
So far ADN are the only carrier who have actually been of any help. Quick Googling for "BGP Peering Latin America" and "BGP Peering Costa Rica" and several variations thereof is not yielding any fruitful results.
Thanks and regards,
Ken
To be clear; are you looking for paid transit connectivity within Costa Rica for the purposes of localizing traffic or are you looking for free or reduced cost connectivity to very specific SP's in Costa Rica? -Dave
2009/10/31 Dave Temkin <davet1@gmail.com>:
Ken Gilmour wrote:
Hi There,
I am looking for carriers who offer peering in Latin America (Specifically Costa Rica). So far the only carrier in Costa Rica who I have been able to find that does this is ADN (American Data Networks, www.data.cr). While they are already on my list for a quote, we need at least one other diverse connection, so I would appreciate if anyone else would be able to help me find other carriers who operate here? Here's who i've contacted so far:
RACSA - Can't get past 1st level support (they don't know what BGP is) ICE - Tried contacting a person who's address I was previously given from NANOG to no avail Global Crossing - Said they contacted an engineer who would get back to me, mailed them 4 times since to no avail (no bounced emails either). Level 3 - Apparently don't operate in Latin America AT&T - Want us to have a minimum of 3 locations in the US to peer with first
So far ADN are the only carrier who have actually been of any help. Quick Googling for "BGP Peering Latin America" and "BGP Peering Costa Rica" and several variations thereof is not yielding any fruitful results.
Thanks and regards,
Ken
To be clear; are you looking for paid transit connectivity within Costa Rica for the purposes of localizing traffic or are you looking for free or reduced cost connectivity to very specific SP's in Costa Rica?
-Dave
Hi Dave, I am specifically looking for any of the following two items: 1. A point-to-point link which we can advertise our own PI space on 2. A carrier which we can peer with for diversity. The current problem we have is that none of our carriers here support BGP so connection failover is done by means of manually switching routes on leased lines which causes our IP addresses to change. We are a 24/7 operation which depends on 5 nines uptime at the network level. I expect to pay for transit - but would not say no to free stuff (especially pens and tshirts) :) Regards, Ken
2009/10/31 Ken Gilmour <ken.gilmour@gmail.com>:
2009/10/31 Dave Temkin <davet1@gmail.com>:
Ken Gilmour wrote:
Hi There,
I am looking for carriers who offer peering in Latin America (Specifically Costa Rica). So far the only carrier in Costa Rica who I have been able to find that does this is ADN (American Data Networks, www.data.cr). While they are already on my list for a quote, we need at least one other diverse connection, so I would appreciate if anyone else would be able to help me find other carriers who operate here? Here's who i've contacted so far:
RACSA - Can't get past 1st level support (they don't know what BGP is) ICE - Tried contacting a person who's address I was previously given from NANOG to no avail Global Crossing - Said they contacted an engineer who would get back to me, mailed them 4 times since to no avail (no bounced emails either). Level 3 - Apparently don't operate in Latin America AT&T - Want us to have a minimum of 3 locations in the US to peer with first
So far ADN are the only carrier who have actually been of any help. Quick Googling for "BGP Peering Latin America" and "BGP Peering Costa Rica" and several variations thereof is not yielding any fruitful results.
Thanks and regards,
Ken
To be clear; are you looking for paid transit connectivity within Costa Rica for the purposes of localizing traffic or are you looking for free or reduced cost connectivity to very specific SP's in Costa Rica?
-Dave
Hi Dave,
I am specifically looking for any of the following two items:
1. A point-to-point link which we can advertise our own PI space on 2. A carrier which we can peer with for diversity.
The current problem we have is that none of our carriers here support BGP so connection failover is done by means of manually switching routes on leased lines which causes our IP addresses to change. We are a 24/7 operation which depends on 5 nines uptime at the network level.
I expect to pay for transit - but would not say no to free stuff (especially pens and tshirts) :)
Regards,
Ken
To also reply to my own reply :) We have BGP4 networks in other locations (IPv4 and IPv6) - Costa Rica being one of the places that don't have it... We would really like to be able to implement it here but are finding it difficult to find SPs who support Customers who advertise their own PI space.
Ken Gilmour wrote:
We have BGP4 networks in other locations (IPv4 and IPv6) - Costa Rica being one of the places that don't have it... We would really like to be able to implement it here but are finding it difficult to find SPs who support Customers who advertise their own PI space.
It doesn't sound like you want peering - specifically AT&T's answer implies they think you want settlement-free peering when you just want to announce your routes via BGP (aka paid transit). ~Seth
2009/10/31 Seth Mattinen <sethm@rollernet.us>:
Ken Gilmour wrote:
We have BGP4 networks in other locations (IPv4 and IPv6) - Costa Rica being one of the places that don't have it... We would really like to be able to implement it here but are finding it difficult to find SPs who support Customers who advertise their own PI space.
It doesn't sound like you want peering - specifically AT&T's answer implies they think you want settlement-free peering when you just want to announce your routes via BGP (aka paid transit).
~Seth
Yes - Sorry my initial approach to NANOG was not very specific! However my approach to the SPs was very specific (and ADN understood exactly what I wanted when I first approached them and are working on a quote)... I specifically asked how we would go about getting a second point-to-point link and peer with them over that link (and for existing providers such as ICE and RACSA) how we could upgrade our current contract to allow us to announce our own PI space... I am not sure how I could be any more specific than that... Ken
You may want to double check your verbage when talking with providers. Transit = you pay for the bandwidth. Peering = free and is a mutual agreement between the two providers. Sounds like you want transit. I'd stop using the "peering" word as it may be confusing people, including your providers. Cheers, Mike On Oct 31, 2009, at 21:30, Ken Gilmour <ken.gilmour@gmail.com> wrote:
2009/10/31 Seth Mattinen <sethm@rollernet.us>:
Ken Gilmour wrote:
We have BGP4 networks in other locations (IPv4 and IPv6) - Costa Rica being one of the places that don't have it... We would really like to be able to implement it here but are finding it difficult to find SPs who support Customers who advertise their own PI space.
It doesn't sound like you want peering - specifically AT&T's answer implies they think you want settlement-free peering when you just want to announce your routes via BGP (aka paid transit).
~Seth
Yes - Sorry my initial approach to NANOG was not very specific! However my approach to the SPs was very specific (and ADN understood exactly what I wanted when I first approached them and are working on a quote)... I specifically asked how we would go about getting a second point-to-point link and peer with them over that link (and for existing providers such as ICE and RACSA) how we could upgrade our current contract to allow us to announce our own PI space... I am not sure how I could be any more specific than that...
Ken
peering in the IX's a.k.a peering -> unless is a payed service =private-peering! at the exchange ----- Original Message ---- From: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com> To: Ken Gilmour <ken.gilmour@gmail.com> Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 4:38:44 AM Subject: Re: Peering in Latin America You may want to double check your verbage when talking with providers. Transit = you pay for the bandwidth. Peering = free and is a mutual agreement between the two providers. Sounds like you want transit. I'd stop using the "peering" word as it may be confusing people, including your providers. Cheers, Mike On Oct 31, 2009, at 21:30, Ken Gilmour <ken.gilmour@gmail.com> wrote:
2009/10/31 Seth Mattinen <sethm@rollernet.us>:
Ken Gilmour wrote:
We have BGP4 networks in other locations (IPv4 and IPv6) - Costa Rica being one of the places that don't have it... We would really like to be able to implement it here but are finding it difficult to find SPs who support Customers who advertise their own PI space.
It doesn't sound like you want peering - specifically AT&T's answer implies they think you want settlement-free peering when you just want to announce your routes via BGP (aka paid transit).
~Seth
Yes - Sorry my initial approach to NANOG was not very specific! However my approach to the SPs was very specific (and ADN understood exactly what I wanted when I first approached them and are working on a quote)... I specifically asked how we would go about getting a second point-to-point link and peer with them over that link (and for existing providers such as ICE and RACSA) how we could upgrade our current contract to allow us to announce our own PI space... I am not sure how I could be any more specific than that...
Ken
G'day, Am 01.11.2009 13:24 Uhr schrieb isabel dias:
peering in the IX's a.k.a peering -> unless is a payed service =private-peering! at the exchange
despite full sentences are clearly better to understand, the term "_private_ peering" does not necessarily include payments. It just means that the interconnect is not realized via a _public_ infrastructure as an IX's network e.g., but via _discrete_ p2p links, for example. Paid services are often referred to as "transit" or sometimes even "transit light" (meaning "my network and the ones of my customers", german Telekom uses this) or explicitly "_paid_ peering" (which is a misuse of the word peering, imho, as e.g. used by Arcor/Vodafone). At least over here the nomenclature is like that ;-) Kind regards, .m
Just depends of the policy based billing /billing models in place. If "billing" is seen as a service the common denominator is the charge the port otherwise a variety of other elements. ----- Original Message ---- From: Malte von dem Hagen <mvh@hosteurope.de> To: isabel dias <isabeldias1@yahoo.com> Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>; Ken Gilmour <ken.gilmour@gmail.com>; "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 2:58:01 PM Subject: Re: Peering in Latin America G'day, Am 01.11.2009 13:24 Uhr schrieb isabel dias:
peering in the IX's a.k.a peering -> unless is a payed service =private-peering! at the exchange
despite full sentences are clearly better to understand, the term "_private_ peering" does not necessarily include payments. It just means that the interconnect is not realized via a _public_ infrastructure as an IX's network e.g., but via _discrete_ p2p links, for example. Paid services are often referred to as "transit" or sometimes even "transit light" (meaning "my network and the ones of my customers", german Telekom uses this) or explicitly "_paid_ peering" (which is a misuse of the word peering, imho, as e.g. used by Arcor/Vodafone). At least over here the nomenclature is like that ;-) Kind regards, .m
You are still confusing peering and transit with ability to announce your IP prefix via BGP. It may be very useful to others willing to help, if you provide a better detail of what kind of recipe you want to cook instead of asking where you can find the individual ingredients. Regards Jorge On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Ken Gilmour <ken.gilmour@gmail.com> wrote:
2009/10/31 Seth Mattinen <sethm@rollernet.us>:
Ken Gilmour wrote:
We have BGP4 networks in other locations (IPv4 and IPv6) - Costa Rica being one of the places that don't have it... We would really like to be able to implement it here but are finding it difficult to find SPs who support Customers who advertise their own PI space.
It doesn't sound like you want peering - specifically AT&T's answer implies they think you want settlement-free peering when you just want to announce your routes via BGP (aka paid transit).
~Seth
Yes - Sorry my initial approach to NANOG was not very specific! However my approach to the SPs was very specific (and ADN understood exactly what I wanted when I first approached them and are working on a quote)... I specifically asked how we would go about getting a second point-to-point link and peer with them over that link (and for existing providers such as ICE and RACSA) how we could upgrade our current contract to allow us to announce our own PI space... I am not sure how I could be any more specific than that...
Ken
How many times more anyone will be lookin to ask the same questions. IX's (peering) are there and most likely companies have presence either on the NY IX or LINX so ask them around and peer w/ them locally. Transite is a costy solution unless you want to load balance your traffic and have means of cross-charge. ----- Original Message ---- From: Dave Temkin <davet1@gmail.com> To: Ken Gilmour <ken.gilmour@gmail.com> Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 3:40:53 AM Subject: Re: Peering in Latin America Ken Gilmour wrote:
Hi There,
I am looking for carriers who offer peering in Latin America (Specifically Costa Rica). So far the only carrier in Costa Rica who I have been able to find that does this is ADN (American Data Networks, www.data.cr). While they are already on my list for a quote, we need at least one other diverse connection, so I would appreciate if anyone else would be able to help me find other carriers who operate here? Here's who i've contacted so far:
RACSA - Can't get past 1st level support (they don't know what BGP is) ICE - Tried contacting a person who's address I was previously given from NANOG to no avail Global Crossing - Said they contacted an engineer who would get back to me, mailed them 4 times since to no avail (no bounced emails either). Level 3 - Apparently don't operate in Latin America AT&T - Want us to have a minimum of 3 locations in the US to peer with first
So far ADN are the only carrier who have actually been of any help. Quick Googling for "BGP Peering Latin America" and "BGP Peering Costa Rica" and several variations thereof is not yielding any fruitful results.
Thanks and regards,
Ken
To be clear; are you looking for paid transit connectivity within Costa Rica for the purposes of localizing traffic or are you looking for free or reduced cost connectivity to very specific SP's in Costa Rica?
-Dave
Ken,, Please contact the following persons: For RACSA: Luis Kopper (kopper@racsa.co.cr) For ICE: Oscar Romero (oromero@ice.go.cr) Luis and Oscar understand BGP and others terms about SP. Regards!! ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Ken Gilmour <ken.gilmour@gmail.com> Fecha: Sábado, 31 de Octubre de 2009, 9:33 pm Asunto: Peering in Latin America A: nanog@nanog.org
Hi There,
I am looking for carriers who offer peering in Latin America (Specifically Costa Rica). So far the only carrier in Costa Rica who I have been able to find that does this is ADN (American Data Networks, www.data.cr). While they are already on my list for a quote, we need at least one other diverse connection, so I would appreciate if anyone else would be able to help me find other carriers who operate here? Here's who i've contacted so far:
RACSA - Can't get past 1st level support (they don't know what BGP is) ICE - Tried contacting a person who's address I was previously given from NANOG to no avail Global Crossing - Said they contacted an engineer who would get back to me, mailed them 4 times since to no avail (no bounced emails either). Level 3 - Apparently don't operate in Latin America AT&T - Want us to have a minimum of 3 locations in the US to peer with first
So far ADN are the only carrier who have actually been of any help. Quick Googling for "BGP Peering Latin America" and "BGP Peering Costa Rica" and several variations thereof is not yielding any fruitful results.
Thanks and regards,
Ken
Hi, Have you tried Columbus Networks? They are the owners of the ARCOS fiber cable and do have a landing point in Costa Rica. Check their website: http://www.nwncable.com/ Otmar On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Ken Gilmour <ken.gilmour@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi There,
I am looking for carriers who offer peering in Latin America (Specifically Costa Rica). So far the only carrier in Costa Rica who I have been able to find that does this is ADN (American Data Networks, www.data.cr). While they are already on my list for a quote, we need at least one other diverse connection, so I would appreciate if anyone else would be able to help me find other carriers who operate here? Here's who i've contacted so far:
RACSA - Can't get past 1st level support (they don't know what BGP is) ICE - Tried contacting a person who's address I was previously given from NANOG to no avail Global Crossing - Said they contacted an engineer who would get back to me, mailed them 4 times since to no avail (no bounced emails either). Level 3 - Apparently don't operate in Latin America AT&T - Want us to have a minimum of 3 locations in the US to peer with first
So far ADN are the only carrier who have actually been of any help. Quick Googling for "BGP Peering Latin America" and "BGP Peering Costa Rica" and several variations thereof is not yielding any fruitful results.
Thanks and regards,
Ken
Isn't skylink offering peering? On October 31, 2009, Ken Gilmour wrote:
Hi There,
I am looking for carriers who offer peering in Latin America (Specifically Costa Rica). So far the only carrier in Costa Rica who I have been able to find that does this is ADN (American Data Networks, www.data.cr). While they are already on my list for a quote, we need at least one other diverse connection, so I would appreciate if anyone else would be able to help me find other carriers who operate here? Here's who i've contacted so far:
RACSA - Can't get past 1st level support (they don't know what BGP is) ICE - Tried contacting a person who's address I was previously given from NANOG to no avail Global Crossing - Said they contacted an engineer who would get back to me, mailed them 4 times since to no avail (no bounced emails either). Level 3 - Apparently don't operate in Latin America AT&T - Want us to have a minimum of 3 locations in the US to peer with first
So far ADN are the only carrier who have actually been of any help. Quick Googling for "BGP Peering Latin America" and "BGP Peering Costa Rica" and several variations thereof is not yielding any fruitful results.
Thanks and regards,
Ken
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ALEJANDRO ESQUIVEL RODRIGUEZ -
Dave Temkin -
isabel dias -
Jorge Amodio -
Ken Gilmour -
Malte von dem Hagen -
Michael Peddemors -
Mike Lyon -
Otmar Conradus -
Seth Mattinen