RE: National Do Not Call Registry has opened
*sigh* So why did Richard Callahan even bother soliciting advice the first place? They are demonstrating they have no concern in operating a decent mail system, even after many kind folks here provided them all the info they needed. I've had two confirmations dropped so far today. Bad in-addr and 'click here' seem to have tipped the scales. To save you all some keystrokes... Donotcall.gov has no MX records. No reverse DNS on any of their outbound mail boxes. And they obviously are not processing bounces/complaints/etc. since nothing on that netblock has port 25 open. -Mike --- Michael Damm, MIS Department, Irwin Research & Development V: 509.457.5080 x298 F: 509.577.0301 E: miked@irwinresearch.com -----Original Message----- From: John R Levine [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:53 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: National Do Not Call Registry has opened The domain is donotcall.gov, IP range is 206.16.196.192/26. They all seem to have the same subject line. Subject: National Do Not Call Registry - Complete Your Registration DCC checksums (already have a count of 25 even though it's only been open for an hour or so and it's the middle of the night): ok fuz1 ac8763a8 a9e8d829 5e8a506b 1d6ac5e5 ok fuz2 bc65f25a 2c08ccfd 5b8b6e2c 3c806c1d They don't quite have all the bugs out. I gave them three phone numbers, but they only sent two confirmations. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://iecc.com/johnl, Sewer Commissioner "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Return-Path: <Register@donotcall.gov> Delivered-To: johnl@iecc.com Received: (qmail 3643 invoked by uid 100); 27 Jun 2003 05:12:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 3518 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2003 05:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO DoNotCall.GOV) (206.16.196.221) by mail.iecc.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2003 05:09:30 -0000 Received: from donotcall.gov ([206.16.196.208]) by DoNotCall.GOV with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:05:04 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by donotcall.gov with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:09:29 -0400 From: <Register@donotcall.gov> To: <donotcall@johnlevine.com> Subject: [donotcall@johnlevine.com] National Do Not Call Registry - Complete Your Registration Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:09:29 -0400 Message-ID: <058d01c33c6a$49752600$d0c410ce@8798WWW3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000 Thread-Index: AcM8akl1m6Ypbr9BRGKj8OREFMsymw== Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2003 05:09:29.0515 (UTC) FILETIME=[49941FB0:01C33C6A] X-DCC-IECC-Metrics: tom.iecc.com 1107; Body=1 Fuz1=7 Fuz2=7 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_01,CLICK_BELOW,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) Click here [ url snipped ] to complete your request to register your phone number ((607) 330-5711) on the National Do Not Call Registry. Important: You must respond to this email by clicking the link within 72 hours for your registration to be successful. Once you have registered, your phone number registration will be effective for 5 years. It will be illegal for most telemarketers to call you, and you will be able to file a complaint if a telemarketer does call you. The website www.donotcall.gov provides information about filing a complaint. Important: After you click on the link, print the web page and keep it for your records. **************************************************************************** *************************************************** Please do not reply to this message as it is from an unattended mailbox. Any replies to this email will not be responded to or forwarded. This service is used for outgoing emails only and cannot respond to inquiries.
*sigh* So why did Richard Callahan even bother soliciting advice the first place? They are demonstrating they have no concern in operating a decent mail system, even after many kind folks here provided them all the info they needed.
I've had two confirmations dropped so far today. Bad in-addr and 'click here' seem to have tipped the scales.
To save you all some keystrokes... Donotcall.gov has no MX records. No reverse DNS on any of their outbound mail boxes. And they obviously are not processing bounces/complaints/etc. since nothing on that netblock has port 25 open.
Appears to be the case flying by... Not a very promising init of the initiative, also imho, let's hope our friends (techno-politically) mature their baby/proposal over time then.. or let's attempt alternative efforts.. ;) mh
-Mike
--- Michael Damm, MIS Department, Irwin Research & Development V: 509.457.5080 x298 F: 509.577.0301 E: miked@irwinresearch.com
-----Original Message----- From: John R Levine [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:53 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: National Do Not Call Registry has opened
The domain is donotcall.gov, IP range is 206.16.196.192/26.
They all seem to have the same subject line.
Subject: National Do Not Call Registry - Complete Your Registration
DCC checksums (already have a count of 25 even though it's only been open for an hour or so and it's the middle of the night):
ok fuz1 ac8763a8 a9e8d829 5e8a506b 1d6ac5e5 ok fuz2 bc65f25a 2c08ccfd 5b8b6e2c 3c806c1d
They don't quite have all the bugs out. I gave them three phone numbers, but they only sent two confirmations.
Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://iecc.com/johnl, Sewer Commissioner "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Return-Path: <Register@donotcall.gov> Delivered-To: johnl@iecc.com Received: (qmail 3643 invoked by uid 100); 27 Jun 2003 05:12:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 3518 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2003 05:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO DoNotCall.GOV) (206.16.196.221) by mail.iecc.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2003 05:09:30 -0000 Received: from donotcall.gov ([206.16.196.208]) by DoNotCall.GOV with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:05:04 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by donotcall.gov with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:09:29 -0400 From: <Register@donotcall.gov> To: <donotcall@johnlevine.com> Subject: [donotcall@johnlevine.com] National Do Not Call Registry - Complete Your Registration Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:09:29 -0400 Message-ID: <058d01c33c6a$49752600$d0c410ce@8798WWW3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000 Thread-Index: AcM8akl1m6Ypbr9BRGKj8OREFMsymw== Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2003 05:09:29.0515 (UTC) FILETIME=[49941FB0:01C33C6A] X-DCC-IECC-Metrics: tom.iecc.com 1107; Body=1 Fuz1=7 Fuz2=7 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_01,CLICK_BELOW,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp)
Click here [ url snipped ] to complete your request to register your phone number ((607) 330-5711) on the National Do Not Call Registry.
Important: You must respond to this email by clicking the link within 72 hours for your registration to be successful.
Once you have registered, your phone number registration will be effective for 5 years. It will be illegal for most telemarketers to call you, and you will be able to file a complaint if a telemarketer does call you. The website www.donotcall.gov provides information about filing a complaint.
Important: After you click on the link, print the web page and keep it for your records.
****************************************************************** ********** *************************************************** Please do not reply to this message as it is from an unattended mailbox. Any replies to this email will not be responded to or forwarded. This service is used for outgoing emails only and cannot respond to inquiries.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Mike Damm Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 10:06 AM To save you all some keystrokes... Donotcall.gov has no MX records. No reverse DNS on any of their outbound mail boxes. And they obviously are not processing bounces/complaints/etc. since nothing on that netblock has port 25 open.
Businesses that ask for email addresses know that a significant percentage of people can't type their own email address correctly. Each of those results in a bounce, or an undeliverable message sitting in an mqueue somewhere. It would not surprise me if they also reduced their Timeout.queuereturn to a few hours as well. Dealing with the bounces would be a nightmare, they've already got their handsful with the webservers and the outbound mail boxes. Sameer
Yo Sameer! On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Sameer R. Manek wrote:
Dealing with the bounces would be a nightmare, they've already got their handsful with the webservers and the outbound mail boxes.
If you can not run a mail server/mail list properly, then you should not do so. Sounds like donotcall.gov has no knowledge of RFCs or BCPs and should not be doing this. RGDS GARY --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 20340 Empire Blvd, Suite E-3, Bend, OR 97701 gem@rellim.com Tel:+1(541)382-8588 Fax: +1(541)382-8676
Businesses that ask for email addresses know that a significant percentage of people can't type their own email address correctly. Each of those results in a bounce, or an undeliverable message sitting in an mqueue somewhere. It would not surprise me if they also reduced their Timeout.queuereturn to a few hours as well.
Dealing with the bounces would be a nightmare, they've already got their handsful with the webservers and the outbound mail boxes.
;) mh
Sameer
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Mike Damm wrote:
To save you all some keystrokes... Donotcall.gov has no MX records. No reverse DNS on any of their outbound mail boxes. And they obviously are not processing bounces/complaints/etc. since nothing on that netblock has port 25 open.
And you can bet that this "project" cost at least six figures, maybe seven. As a taxpayer, I was quite disappointed to see IIS and Microsoft SMTPSVC gluing this pile together. When I went in and registered last night, I was surprised to see that it was so simple. There seemed to be no protection against a bot coming in and mailbombing someone to death. What a sad state this business is in. Charles
-Mike
--- Michael Damm, MIS Department, Irwin Research & Development V: 509.457.5080 x298 F: 509.577.0301 E: miked@irwinresearch.com
-----Original Message----- From: John R Levine [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:53 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: National Do Not Call Registry has opened
The domain is donotcall.gov, IP range is 206.16.196.192/26.
They all seem to have the same subject line.
Subject: National Do Not Call Registry - Complete Your Registration
DCC checksums (already have a count of 25 even though it's only been open for an hour or so and it's the middle of the night):
ok fuz1 ac8763a8 a9e8d829 5e8a506b 1d6ac5e5 ok fuz2 bc65f25a 2c08ccfd 5b8b6e2c 3c806c1d
They don't quite have all the bugs out. I gave them three phone numbers, but they only sent two confirmations.
Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://iecc.com/johnl, Sewer Commissioner "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Return-Path: <Register@donotcall.gov> Delivered-To: johnl@iecc.com Received: (qmail 3643 invoked by uid 100); 27 Jun 2003 05:12:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 3518 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2003 05:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO DoNotCall.GOV) (206.16.196.221) by mail.iecc.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2003 05:09:30 -0000 Received: from donotcall.gov ([206.16.196.208]) by DoNotCall.GOV with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:05:04 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by donotcall.gov with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:09:29 -0400 From: <Register@donotcall.gov> To: <donotcall@johnlevine.com> Subject: [donotcall@johnlevine.com] National Do Not Call Registry - Complete Your Registration Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:09:29 -0400 Message-ID: <058d01c33c6a$49752600$d0c410ce@8798WWW3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000 Thread-Index: AcM8akl1m6Ypbr9BRGKj8OREFMsymw== Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2003 05:09:29.0515 (UTC) FILETIME=[49941FB0:01C33C6A] X-DCC-IECC-Metrics: tom.iecc.com 1107; Body=1 Fuz1=7 Fuz2=7 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_01,CLICK_BELOW,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp)
Click here [ url snipped ] to complete your request to register your phone number ((607) 330-5711) on the National Do Not Call Registry.
Important: You must respond to this email by clicking the link within 72 hours for your registration to be successful.
Once you have registered, your phone number registration will be effective for 5 years. It will be illegal for most telemarketers to call you, and you will be able to file a complaint if a telemarketer does call you. The website www.donotcall.gov provides information about filing a complaint.
Important: After you click on the link, print the web page and keep it for your records.
**************************************************************************** *************************************************** Please do not reply to this message as it is from an unattended mailbox. Any replies to this email will not be responded to or forwarded. This service is used for outgoing emails only and cannot respond to inquiries.
On 27 Jun 2003 at 14:52, Charles Sprickman wrote:
And you can bet that this "project" cost at least six figures, maybe seven. As a taxpayer, I was quite disappointed to see IIS and Microsoft SMTPSVC gluing this pile together. When I went in and registered last night, I was surprised to see that it was so simple. There seemed to be no protection against a bot coming in and mailbombing someone to death. What a sad state this business is in.
I was thinking more along the line of a bot submitting every possible 10 digit phone number. Do the nation a favor. cheers, nick -- Nick Nelson // USA: 1-877-Lunarpages nick@lunarpages.com // UK: 0800 0729150 Lunarpages.com // INTL: 1-714-521-8150
In message <3EFC5B2F.11611.1E0AAC12@localhost>, Nick Nelson <nick@lunarpages.com> writes
I was thinking more along the line of a bot submitting every possible 10 digit phone number. Do the nation a favor.
Which is, of course, what might happen with email addresses, if someone made the very bad decision to implement a plausible opt-out scheme for junk emails. -- Roland Perry
Subject: Re: National Do Not Call Registry has opened Date: Fri, Jun 27, 2003 at 08:14:51PM +0100 Quoting Roland Perry (roland@linx.net):
In message <3EFC5B2F.11611.1E0AAC12@localhost>, Nick Nelson <nick@lunarpages.com> writes
I was thinking more along the line of a bot submitting every possible 10 digit phone number. Do the nation a favor.
Which is, of course, what might happen with email addresses, if someone made the very bad decision to implement a plausible opt-out scheme for junk emails.
We had this discussion in Sweden a couple years back, in the operator forum, and we more or less joked that wildcards with exception was the only acceptable opt-out, where a domain holder might submit a domain name and state "only those email accounts matched by "*.namn.se" who opt out of my wildcard opt-out may be sent spam". At the time I was working at the swedish TLD registry and immediately offered "*.se" as wildcard, since that was "my domain". ;-) We still have no such register. Or any register. -- Måns Nilsson Systems Specialist +46 70 681 7204 KTHNOC MN1334-RIPE What's the MATTER Sid? ... Is your BEVERAGE unsatisfactory?
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