Root-64 Weekly Status Report (fwd)
This Root-64 activity is widespread enough that I think all network operators should take note of it. Read this message carefully, there are people working on this project in many countries. If you want to keep tabs on what is happening there is a URL in the message for a mailing list to subscribe to. For the record, I am opposed to what this group is doing. Jim Fleming, the author of the forwarded message, is in favor. If you want to discuss the matter I think NANOG is not the right list given that there is a list mentioned in the message below. Michael Dillon - ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 14:28:31 -0500 From: Jim Fleming <JimFleming@unety.net> To: 'New Newdom' <newdom@vrx.net> Subject: Root-64 Weekly Status Report Saturday, October 26, 1996 Root-64 Weekly Status Report Several people have expressed interest in some sort of weekly summary. This will help busy people get an overview of the progress being made without getting involved in the daily discussions. This past week was very busy, the NSF and the FNC (Federal Networking Council) met and based on the early reports from that meeting, the FNC is recommending that the NSF work hard to divest itself from the top level domain issues and the management of the popular root name servers. Hopefully, the NSF will see that projects like the Root-64 Project will help accelerate this process. Attached is the growing list of root name servers which are being deployed around the world. This list helps to illustrate that the commercial world as well as non profit organizations are willing to step in as the NSF and the U.S. Government withdraw support. Additional root name servers will provide the stability needed to grow the Internet beyond the current R&D architecture supported by the NSF. As shown below, the major recent changes are: England: Keith Mitchell - keith@linx.org has expressed interest in the project and appears to have a very strategic location and facilties in the U.K. to provide support for not only the U.K. but surrounding regions. France: Laurent BERNARD - lbernard@artinternet.fr is very enthusiastic about getting involved from his Paris based ISP. He has volunteered to help develop a root DNS FAQ, which hopefully may also be available in French. Australia: Andrew Khoo - andrew@aussie.net has indicated that his management is supportive of the project and would like more information to help them bring a root name server to Australia. ISOC/IAHC: The Internet Society, under Don Heath's (heath@linus.isoc.org) direction, is starting to make progress. They have appointed a committee to discuss all of the issues of the top level domains. Only one of the members of the committee, Perry Metzger, was active in the "newdom" discussions this past year. It is still not clear if they intend to host a root name server. That may be one of the topics that their committee discusses. It is still too early to tell. @@@@@ 0 - Legacy Internet, R&D, Education, Etc. 0 - IANA - U.S.- Southern California - NS1.ISI.EDU - 128.9.0.107 1 - InterNIC - U.S. - Virginia - NS.INTERNIC.NET - 198.41.0.4 2 - NANOG - ??? 3 - ISP/C - ??? 4 - MERIT - ??? 5 - IETF - U.S. - California - NS.ISC.ORG - 192.5.5.241 6 - ISOC - Contact Don Heath - heath@linus.isoc.org IAHC - Contact ??? 1 - Perry Metzger - perry@piermont.com 2 - David Crocker - 3 - Jeff Houston 4 - Hank Nusbacher 5 - David Maher 6 - Sally Abel 7 - Robert Shaw 8 - WIPO representative 9 - ??? 7 - WIA - ??? 1 - North America (U.S., Mexico, Canada) 0 - U.S. - Northwestern - AlterNIC - MX.ALTERNIC.NET - 204.94.42.1 1 - U.S. - Illinois - MCS Net - ROOT-NS.MCS.NET - 192.160.127.86 2 - U.S. - Michigan - AGN Net - SIMBA.AGN.NET - 160.79.1.3 3 - U.S. - Wisconsin - SPARKNET.NET - ROOT-NS.THENIC.NET - 207.67.22.81 4 - U.S. - Maryland - TERP.UMD.EDU - 128.8.10.90 5 - Canada - Ontario - TORONTO.ALTERNIC.NET - 207.107.232.106 6 - Mexico - http://www.nic.mx ??? 7 - U.S. - Southeastern - C.PSI.NET - 192.33.4.12 2 - South America, Central America and the Caribbean 0 - U.S. Virgin Islands - USVI.NET - 204.199.0.4 1 - British Virgin Islands - ??? 2 - Brazil - ??? 3 - Argentina ??? 4 - Venezula - Contact Peter de Blanc - pdeblanc@usvi.net 5 - Bolivia ??? 6 - Costa Rica??? 7 - Panama ??? 3 - England, Europe, Scandanavia and Russia 0 - RIPE - Netherlands - http://www.eu.net ??? 1 - Sweden - NIC.NORDU.NET - 192.36.148.17 2 - England - Contact Keith Mitchell - keith@linx.org 3 - France - Contact Laurent BERNARD - lbernard@artinternet.fr 4 - Germany - ??? 5 - Switzerland - ??? 6 - Italy - ??? 7 - Ukraine - NS.WW.NET - 193.124.73.100 4 - Japan, Korea, China and The Pacific Rim 0 - APNIC - http://www.apnic.net ??? 1 - Japan - http://www.nic.ad.jp ??? 2 - Korea - http://www.krnic.net ??? 3 - 4 - Taiwan - http://www.twnic.net ??? 5 - China - http://www.cnc.ac.cn ??? 6 - Philippines - http://www.ph.net ??? 7 - Hong Kong - http://www.cuhk.hk/hkwww.html ??? 5 - Asia, Africa and the Middle East 0 - 1 - India - http://www.iisc.ernet.in/innic.html ??? 2 - Pakistan - http://www.ar.pk/public/pknic.html ??? 3 - Bangladesh - http://www.bangla.org/bdinet ??? 4 - Israel - ??? 5 - Saudi Arabia - ??? 6 - South Africa - ??? 7 6 - Australia, New Zealand, Southeast Asia and the South Pacific 0 - Australia - Contact Andrew Khoo - andrew@aussie.net 1 - New Zealand - http://servius.waikato.ac.nz/isocnz ??? 2 - Singapore - http://www.nic.net.sg ??? 3 - Thailand - http://www.thnic.net ??? 4 - Indonesia - http://www.iptek.net.id/ipteknet_eng.html ??? 5 - Guam - http://ns.gov.gu ??? 6 - Malaysia - NS.ALPHAQUE.COM - 202.185.254.12 7 - 7 - Vehicles, Boats, Spaceships, Ham Radio, etc. 0 - NS.NASA.GOV - 192.203.230.10 1 - NS.NIC.DDN.MIL - 192.112.36.4 2 - AOS.ARL.ARMY.MIL - 128.63.2.53 3 - NS.UNETY.NET - 207.32.128.1 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - @@@@ A variety of people are starting to write software, scripts, documentation, etc. that will be needed to coordinate the updates for all of the root name servers. For people that want a Java view of the servers, the temporary web site, http://www.unety.net/Java/root.html has a demo. Chris Sevcik - chris@sparknet.net has been exploring some interesting ideas about a web sites, etc. Chris has pointed out the need for a web site that helps document who the contacts are for the above root name servers. Alexis Yushin - alexis@dawn.ww.net of Ukraine has expressed interest in moving the discussion forward on the technology needed to keep the world wide collection of root name servers in synch. I would encourage everyone to work with Alexis on these important projects. John Palmer - newdom@Taka.AGN.NET reported that their "whois" database is up and working for the .EARTH and .USA top level domains. John provided both URLs as just another example of how the new TLDs can coexist with the "popular" TLDs. http://www.earth/whois.html http://www.agn.net/whois.html Peter deBlanc -pdeblanc@usvi.net reports that he is making good progress in Venezula and hopes to have some news in early November. South America is clearly an area where more progress is needed. If anyone wants to explore those regions, cruise on down there. The NANOG group met in Ann Arbor this week. I did receive a response from them, but I do not anticipate any news until the results of their meetings are digested. The operator of the OLD newdom mailing list has suggested closing the list. Several of the members of that list have now subscribed to the NEW newdom list. Richard J. Sexton, the operator of the new list wants to remind everyone that there is a web site for people to subscribe. Please circultate this URL <http://www.newdom.com/lists/>. On the International front, there are meetings next week in Geneva, Switzerland. Stay tuned to the following web site for more info http://www.wia.org It should be clear from that web site that many stakeholders are now involved in the Internet, and some of them will want to take part in helping to provide stability via the deployment of root name servers. Stay tuned for next week's report...inputs are welcome...;-) P.S. As far as I know, none of the above work was funded by the NSF, or the U.S. government. All of the work is being done by private citizens and companies who volunteer their time and resources to these efforts. -- Jim Fleming UNETY Systems, Inc. Naperville, IL e-mail: JimFleming@unety.net JimFleming@unety.net.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)
On Sat, 26 Oct 1996, Paul A Vixie wrote:
This is entirely bogus and without truth or value.
Paul, this is most decidely *NOT* entirely bogus and without truth or value. First of all these people *ARE* all working together on a more or less common project. They are serious, some are smooth talkers and they intend to make waves. Whether or not this is a good idea or has a hope of succeeding in the long run is not relevant. It can cause a lot of chaos before the rest of the world realizes it won't work. And much as I disagree with the goals and methods of this group, I have to admit that there is some value in the shared registry software and protocols they are developping and testing. This is why I don't think it is wise to ignore them any more. Michael Dillon - ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com
Which universe is this? I didn't realise we needed to take into account happenings in parallel universes while operating our networks. -dorian
On Sat, 26 Oct 1996, Dorian R. Kim wrote:
Which universe is this? I didn't realise we needed to take into account happenings in parallel universes while operating our networks.
Are you 100% confident that this group will not cause you to spend increased amounts of time on tech support and customer relations explaining why your network is NOT broken because they cannot get to http://www.carib.tours? Are you 100% confident that your marketing people understand that the root64/alternic stuff is not the latest Internet service that they should be selling to their customers? What happens when other employees of your company read some of the material Jim Fleming has written and believe that this is an official new way to deal with Internet domain names? The idea that somehow cyberspace is not part of the real world is completely and utterly bogus. Michael Dillon - ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com
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On Sat, 26 Oct 1996, Michael Dillon wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 1996, Dorian R. Kim wrote:
Which universe is this? I didn't realise we needed to take into account happenings in parallel universes while operating our networks.
Are you 100% confident that this group will not cause you to spend increased amounts of time on tech support and customer relations explaining why your network is NOT broken because they cannot get to http://www.carib.tours?
I'm 100% confident that this group will be irrelevant until they somehow get enough of the Internet to matter. At this point, I don't consider this very likely.
What happens when other employees of your company read some of the material Jim Fleming has written and believe that this is an official new way to deal with Internet domain names?
They will be referred to more suitable educational material.
The idea that somehow cyberspace is not part of the real world is completely and utterly bogus.
How did you parse this out of the above? -dorian
On Sun, 27 Oct 1996, Dorian R. Kim wrote:
What happens when other employees of your company read some of the material Jim Fleming has written and believe that this is an official new way to deal with Internet domain names?
They will be referred to more suitable educational material.
It would sure be nice if there was some suitable educational material generally available. I've been contacted several times by reporters over this issue and the best I can do is to point out that this is not as simple as the Alternic/Route64 people make it seem and to point them to my TLD resources page at http://www.memra.com/ndbg.html for background material and let them draw their own conclusions. If the members of this list generally support what ISOC and IANA are doing with the IAHC it may be a good idea to get your PR departments to issue a press release indicating that support. Right now a lot of the press has this mistaken idea that the industry supports Alternic/Route64 while the IANA/ISOC/IAHC efforts are way out in ivory tower left field somewhere. Michael Dillon - ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com
Which universe is this? I didn't realise we needed to take into account happenings in parallel universes while operating our networks.
It's two alternate universes, the Wannabe universe, for those attempting to prove two adages at once, one about idle hands and the other about lack of clue. The second is a brain-dead universe called Cross-Posters, populated with folk who think that others do not actually know how to subscribe to mailing lists, so cross-post everything they see to every list to which they have learned to subscribe. I suspect that these two universes have sufficient overlap that there is a non-trivial class of wannabes who think they need to cross-post vacuous garbage so that everybody who does not want to can see it. I guess it's .procmailrc time again. randy
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